Pay to Play, it's the  Chicago way. 
 
HEY. not everyone from Chicago is like  that. For example, me.
I'm from Chicago, you know. I know what  you mean, needless to say,
but I voted anti-machine every  chance I got. As did a lot of
other Chicagoans. It was pretty rare when  "reformists" won anything,
of course, but it wasn't for want of  trying.
 
Problem was and is patronage, sorta like  Mussolini and trains that run on 
time.
Chicago works, patronage, Chicago style,  has its upside and everyone knows 
it.
The downside is corruption, unethical  politics, and crooks in office. 
Everyone
knows this, too, but the benefits from  clean streets, good water, 
fairly decent police, business development, etc,  are
also in the calculus and that is a  fact.
 
So, how do you deal with this situation  ?
 
Anyway, kindly don't insult all Chicago  folks since a good number of  us
are OK people who do the best we  can against  a stacked deck.
 
Billy 
certified North Sider
 
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In a message dated 2/28/2010 4:53:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[email protected] writes:

Washington Budgeting, not NASA thinking, is what  led us to having to rely 
on a 30 year old space shuttle for human transport.  

Cutting NASA is how you punish Houston and Texas for not voting for  Obama. 
Of course, the Houston Comical won't come right out and say that, they  
endorsed him. 

Pay to Play, it's the Chicago way.  

David

 
"A  pleasant natural environment is a good - a luxury good, philosophical 
good, a  moral goody-good, a good time for all. Whatever, we want it. If we 
want  something, we should pay for it, with our labor or our cash. We 
shouldn't beg  it, steal it, sit around wishing for it, or euchre the 
government 
into taking  it by force."--P. J.  O’Rourke  


On  2/28/2010 4:24 PM, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote:  
Hi Billy,  


On Feb 28, 2010, at 1:37 PM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])   
wrote:

 
 
We have seen what NASA can do. Hubble. Spitzer. The Mars rovers (  still 
operational
several years after their 3 month expiration  dates.





All unmanned missions, which last I checked were  unaffected.



 
An international space station which is fully functional with  much promise 
for the future. 





Built largely by the Russians, and currently eight years behind  schedule:


_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station) 


Your point about NASA competence being what, exactly?




 
The next logical step is colonization of the Moon and eventual  human 
flight to Mars.






That may well be true.  But NASA thinking is what  led us to having to rely 
on a *30* year-old space shuttle for human space  transport.


Look, NASA did a fantastic job on the moon, and does a fantastic job on  
unmanned space flight. But human space travel at NASA is a mess, which is  wh


I agree Bush's vision was a great one, and I am sad that it was lost.  But 
it is a mitigated disaster.  When, I dunno, President Jenna  Bush take's up 
her father's legacy in 2020, it may well be wise for her to  adopt a more 
lean/Silicon Valley approach vs. the military-industrial  megalith of the 
current NASA.


-- Ernie P.






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