Thanks Xiaoxi..
But, I have already initiated test by making db/ a symbolic link to another 
SSD..Will share the result soon.

Regards
Somnath

-----Original Message-----
From: Chen, Xiaoxi [mailto:xiaoxi.c...@intel.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 6:48 PM
To: Somnath Roy; Haomai Wang
Cc: ceph-devel
Subject: RE: Regarding newstore performance

Hi Somnath,
     You could try apply this one:)
     https://github.com/ceph/ceph/pull/4356

      BTW the previous RocksDB configuration has a bug that set 
rocksdb_disableDataSync to true by default, which may cause data loss in 
failure. So pls update the newstore to latest or manually set it to false. I 
suspect the KVDB performance will be worse after doing this...but that's the 
way we need to go.
                                                                                
Xiaoxi

-----Original Message-----
From: ceph-devel-ow...@vger.kernel.org 
[mailto:ceph-devel-ow...@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Somnath Roy
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 12:07 AM
To: Haomai Wang
Cc: ceph-devel
Subject: RE: Regarding newstore performance

Hoamai,
Yes, separating out the kvdb directory is the path I will take to identify the 
cause of the WA.
This tool I have written on top of these disk counters. I can share that but 
you need SanDisk optimus echo (or max) drive to make it work :-)

Thanks & Regards
Somnath

-----Original Message-----
From: Haomai Wang [mailto:haomaiw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 5:23 AM
To: Somnath Roy
Cc: ceph-devel
Subject: Re: Regarding newstore performance

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Somnath Roy <somnath....@sandisk.com> wrote:
> Hi Sage/Mark,
> I did some WA experiment with newstore with the similar settings I mentioned 
> yesterday.
>
> Test:
> -------
>
> 64K Random write with 64 QD and writing total of 1 TB of data.
>
>
> Newstore:
> ------------
>
> Fio output at the end of 1 TB write.
> -------------------------------------------
>
> rbd_iodepth32: (g=0): rw=randwrite, bs=64K-64K/64K-64K/64K-64K, 
> ioengine=rbd, iodepth=64
> fio-2.1.11-20-g9a44
> Starting 1 process
> rbd engine: RBD version: 0.1.9
> Jobs: 1 (f=1): [w(1)] [100.0% done] [0KB/49600KB/0KB /s] [0/775/0 
> iops] [eta 00m:00s]
> rbd_iodepth32: (groupid=0, jobs=1): err= 0: pid=42907: Tue Apr 14 00:34:23 
> 2015
>   write: io=1000.0GB, bw=48950KB/s, iops=764, runt=21421419msec
>     slat (usec): min=43, max=9480, avg=116.45, stdev=10.99
>     clat (msec): min=13, max=1331, avg=83.55, stdev=52.97
>      lat (msec): min=14, max=1331, avg=83.67, stdev=52.97
>     clat percentiles (msec):
>      |  1.00th=[   60],  5.00th=[   68], 10.00th=[   71], 20.00th=[   74],
>      | 30.00th=[   76], 40.00th=[   78], 50.00th=[   81], 60.00th=[   83],
>      | 70.00th=[   86], 80.00th=[   90], 90.00th=[   94], 95.00th=[   98],
>      | 99.00th=[  109], 99.50th=[  114], 99.90th=[ 1188], 99.95th=[ 1221],
>      | 99.99th=[ 1270]
>     bw (KB  /s): min=   62, max=101888, per=100.00%, avg=49760.84, 
> stdev=7320.03
>     lat (msec) : 20=0.01%, 50=0.38%, 100=96.00%, 250=3.34%, 500=0.03%
>     lat (msec) : 750=0.02%, 1000=0.03%, 2000=0.20%
>   cpu          : usr=10.85%, sys=1.76%, ctx=123504191, majf=0, minf=603964
>   IO depths    : 1=0.1%, 2=0.1%, 4=0.1%, 8=0.1%, 16=0.1%, 32=2.1%, >=64=97.9%
>      submit    : 0=0.0%, 4=100.0%, 8=0.0%, 16=0.0%, 32=0.0%, 64=0.0%, 
> >=64=0.0%
>      complete  : 0=0.0%, 4=100.0%, 8=0.1%, 16=0.1%, 32=0.0%, 64=0.1%, 
> >=64=0.0%
>      issued    : total=r=0/w=16384000/d=0, short=r=0/w=0/d=0
>      latency   : target=0, window=0, percentile=100.00%, depth=64
>
> Run status group 0 (all jobs):
>   WRITE: io=1000.0GB, aggrb=48949KB/s, minb=48949KB/s, maxb=48949KB/s, 
> mint=21421419msec, maxt=21421419msec
>
>
> So, iops getting is ~764.
> 99th percentile latency should be 100ms.
>
> Write amplification at disk level:
> --------------------------------------
>
> SanDisk SSDs have some disk level counters that can measure number of host 
> writes with flash logical page size and number of actual flash writes with 
> the same flash logical page size. The difference between these two is the 
> actual WA causing to disk.
>
> Please find the data in the following xls.
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vIT6PHRbLdk_IqFDc2iM_teMolDUlx
> cX5TLMRzdXyJE/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Total host writes in this period = 923896266
>
> Total flash writes in this period = 1465339040
>
>
> FileStore:
> -------------
>
> Fio output at the end of 1 TB write.
> -------------------------------------------
>
> rbd_iodepth32: (g=0): rw=randwrite, bs=64K-64K/64K-64K/64K-64K, 
> ioengine=rbd, iodepth=64
> fio-2.1.11-20-g9a44
> Starting 1 process
> rbd engine: RBD version: 0.1.9
> Jobs: 1 (f=1): [w(1)] [100.0% done] [0KB/164.7MB/0KB /s] [0/2625/0 
> iops] [eta 00m:01s]
> rbd_iodepth32: (groupid=0, jobs=1): err= 0: pid=44703: Tue Apr 14 18:44:00 
> 2015
>   write: io=1000.0GB, bw=98586KB/s, iops=1540, runt=10636117msec
>     slat (usec): min=42, max=7144, avg=120.45, stdev=45.80
>     clat (usec): min=942, max=3954.6K, avg=40776.42, stdev=81231.25
>      lat (msec): min=1, max=3954, avg=40.90, stdev=81.23
>     clat percentiles (msec):
>      |  1.00th=[    7],  5.00th=[   11], 10.00th=[   13], 20.00th=[   16],
>      | 30.00th=[   18], 40.00th=[   20], 50.00th=[   22], 60.00th=[   25],
>      | 70.00th=[   30], 80.00th=[   40], 90.00th=[   67], 95.00th=[  114],
>      | 99.00th=[  433], 99.50th=[  570], 99.90th=[  914], 99.95th=[ 1090],
>      | 99.99th=[ 1647]
>     bw (KB  /s): min=   32, max=243072, per=100.00%, avg=103148.37, 
> stdev=63090.00
>     lat (usec) : 1000=0.01%
>     lat (msec) : 2=0.01%, 4=0.14%, 10=4.50%, 20=38.34%, 50=42.42%
>     lat (msec) : 100=8.81%, 250=3.48%, 500=1.58%, 750=0.50%, 1000=0.14%
>     lat (msec) : 2000=0.06%, >=2000=0.01%
>   cpu          : usr=18.46%, sys=2.64%, ctx=63096633, majf=0, minf=923370
>   IO depths    : 1=0.1%, 2=0.1%, 4=0.1%, 8=0.1%, 16=0.6%, 32=80.4%, >=64=19.1%
>      submit    : 0=0.0%, 4=100.0%, 8=0.0%, 16=0.0%, 32=0.0%, 64=0.0%, 
> >=64=0.0%
>      complete  : 0=0.0%, 4=94.3%, 8=2.9%, 16=1.9%, 32=0.9%, 64=0.1%, >=64=0.0%
>      issued    : total=r=0/w=16384000/d=0, short=r=0/w=0/d=0
>      latency   : target=0, window=0, percentile=100.00%, depth=64
>
> Run status group 0 (all jobs):
>   WRITE: io=1000.0GB, aggrb=98586KB/s, minb=98586KB/s, maxb=98586KB/s, 
> mint=10636117msec, maxt=10636117msec
>
> Disk stats (read/write):
>   sda: ios=0/251, merge=0/149, ticks=0/0, in_queue=0, util=0.00%
>
> So, iops here is ~1500.
> 99th percentile latency should be within 50ms
>
>
> Write amplification at disk level:
> --------------------------------------
>
> Total host writes in this period = 643611346
>
> Total flash writes in this period = 1157304512
>
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gbIATBerS8COzSsJRMbkFXCSbLjn61
> Fz49CLH8WPh7Q/edit?pli=1#gid=95373000
>
>
>
>
>
> Summary:
> ------------
>
> 1.  The performance is doubled in case of filestore and latency is almost 
> half.
>
> 2. Total number of flash writes is impacted by by both application write 
> pattern + FTL logic etc. etc. So, I am not going into that.  Things to note 
> the significant increase of host writes with newstore and that's definitely 
> causing extra WA compare to  filestore.
>

Yeah, it seemed that xfs plays well when writing back.

> 3. Considering flash page size = 4K, the total writes in case of filestore = 
> 2455 GB with a 1000 GB fio write vs 3524 GB with newstore. So, WA of 
> filestore is ~2.4 vs ~3.5 in case of newstore. Considering inherent 2X WA for 
> filestore, it is doing pretty good here.
>      Now, in case of newstore , it is not supposed to write WAL in case of 
> new writes. It will be interesting to see % of new writes coming..Will 
> analyze that..
>

I think it should result from kvdb. Maybe we can separate newstore's data dir 
and kvdb dir. So we can measure the difference with different disk counter.

> 4. If you can open my xls and graphs above, you can see initially host writes 
> and flash writes are very similar in case of newstore and then it jumps high. 
> Not sure why though. I will rerun the tests to confirm similar phenomenon.
>
> 5. The cumulative flash write  and cumulative host write graph is the actual 
> WA (host + FW) caused by the write.
>

I'm interested in the flash write and disk write counter, is it a internal tool 
to inspect or it's a opensource tool?

> What's next:
> ---------------
>
> 1. Need to understand why 3.5 WA for newstore.
>
> 2. Try with different  Rocksdb tuning and record the impact.
>
>
> Any feedback/suggestion is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Somnath
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Somnath Roy
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 4:54 PM
> To: ceph-devel
> Subject: Regarding newstore performance
>
> Sage,
> I was doing some preliminary performance testing of newstore on a single OSD 
> (SSD) , single replication setup. Here is my findings so far.
>
> Test:
> -----
>
>         64K random writes with QD= 64 using fio_rbd.
>
> Results :
> ----------
>
>         1. With all default settings, I am seeing very spiky performance. FIO 
> is reporting between 0-~1K random write IOPS with many times IO stops at 
> 0s...Tried with bigger overlay max size value but results are similar...
>
>         2. Next I set the newstore_overlay_max = 0 and I got pretty stable 
> performance ~800-900 IOPS (write duration is short though).
>
>         3. I tried to tweak all the settings one by one but not much benefit 
> anywhere.
>
>         4. One interesting observation here, in my setup if I set 
> newstore_sync_queue_transaction = true , I am getting iops ~600-700..Which is 
> ~100 less.
>              This is quite contrary to my keyvaluestore experiment where I 
> got ~3X improvement by doing sync  writes !
>
>         5. Filestore performance in the similar setup is ~1.6K after 1 TB of 
> data write.
>
> I am trying to figure out from the code what exactly this overlay writes 
> does. Any insight/explanation would be helpful here.
>
> I am planning to do some more experiment with newstore including WA 
> comparison between filestore vs newstore. Will publish the result soon.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Somnath
>
>
>
>
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