I use zone_reclaim_mode=7 all time on boot (I use qemu with NUMA memory locking
on same nodes, so need to keep proportional RAM use). Now I trying to use
migratepages for all ceph daemons (with tcmalloc -DTCMALLOC_SMALL_BUT_SLOW - to
avoid OSDs memory abuse). There my script (migrate to node, keepeng maximum RAM:
#!/usr/bin/perl
sub getnodes{
my @x;
open(my $FF,'-|',"numastat $_[0]") or die $!;
while(defined(my $s=<$FF>)){
chomp($s);
my @x=split(/\s+/,$s);
if(shift(@x) eq $_[1]){
close($FF);
return @x;
}
}
close($FF);
undef;
}
for my $t (''){
#for my $t ('osd'){
for(glob("/var/run/ceph/$t*.pid")){
my @free=getnodes('-m','MemFree');
pop @free;
print "free=@free\n";
die if(!@free);
$p0=`cat $_`;
chomp($p0);
$p=`pgrep ceph-$t -F $_`;
chomp($p);
next if($p ne $p0);
my @m=getnodes("-p $p",'Total');
my $total=pop @m;
print "mem[$p]=@m\n";
die if(!@m or $#m != $#free);
my ($max,$imax);
for(0..$#m){
$m=$free[$_]-$total+$m[$_];
if($imax eq '' or $max<$m){
$max=$m;
$imax=$_;
}
}
next if($max<=0);
for(0..$#m){
next if($_ eq $imax or $m[$_]==0);
print "migratepages $p $_ $imax\n";
system('migratepages',$p,$_,$imax);
}
}
}
Jan Schermer пишет:
In our case it was the co-scheduling with lots QEMUs that made it run bad. If
you have a dedicated CEPH OSD server it would be beneficial only if the
scheduler was moving the OSDs between different NUMA zones. (Which our ancient
2.6.32 EL6 kernel AFAIK does but newer kernels do not).
I’m not seeing our OSDs having a problem with IO speed, Dumpling is just so
slow and CPU-bound it would probably run at the same speed even with spindles.
It is hard to design a NUMA system where all the resources are local - you’d
have to have dedicated separate bonds for all zones etc. - easier to just use
smaller 1 socket machines in greater numbers. When you add QEMU to the mix it’s
practically impossible to have everything local to all the zones in one box.
(CEPH needs HBAs and NICs, QEMU needs NICs but shouldn’t ideally share cores
with CEPH… depends very much on the workload and scale - with greater scale it
probably doesn’t make sense to have a hyperconverged solution, unless it’s
easier to just throw more hardware at the problem and only scaling horizontaly).
migratepages is a one-shot operation - memory placement after that will depends
on the kernel you are running and scheduler and other settings. Having
zone_reclaim_mode=1 should prevent memory from “leaking” to the other node, but
could prevent effective filesystem caching depending on how much free memory
you have. Surprisingly, I had ~150GB free (about 50% in each of two NUMA zones)
that wasn’t used for cache without turning it off, not yet sure why.
Scripts will be coming tomorrow, I’d love to see if it makes a change for
someone else, maybe I’m just un-breaking something in my setup.
Jan
On 24 Jun 2015, at 20:05, Somnath Roy <[email protected]> wrote:
Jan,
This is interesting as I tried to pin OSDs (though I didn't pin all the
threads) as part of our tuning and didn't see much difference. I thought this
could be primarily because of the following.
The NICs and HBAs could be always remote to some OSDs , unless you dedicate
NICs to the OSDs running on the same NUMA node.
I never tried 'migratepages' though. But, I guess 'migratepages' we need to do
one time after pinning, right ?
I would love to see your scripts and try it out in my environment.
Thanks & Regards
Somnath
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To: Ben Hines
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Subject: Re: [ceph-users] Switching from tcmalloc
We did, but I don’t have the numbers. I have lots of graphs, though. We were
mainly trying to solve the CPU usage, since our nodes are converged QEMU+CEPH
OSDs, so this made a difference. We were also seeing the performance capped on
CPUs when deleting snapshots of backfilling, all this should be solved with
this.
We graph latency, outstanding operations, you name it - I can share a few
graphs with you tomorrow if I get the permission from my boss :-) Makes for a
nice comparison with real workload to have one node tcmalloc-free and the
others running vanilla ceph-osd.
I guess I can share the final script once that’s finished - right now it uses
taskset and then migratepages to the correct NUMA node and is not that nice,
the cgroup one will be completely different.
You can try migratepages for yourself to test if it makes a difference - pin an
OSD to a specific node (don’t forget to pin all threads) and then run
“migratepages $pid old_node new_node”.
You can confirm the memory moving with “numastat -p $pid”. If it doesn’t seem
to move then it is probably pagecache allocated on the wrong node, not sure if
that can be migrated but you can use /proc/sys/vm/zone_reclaim_mode (=1) which
should drop it. I advise setting it to 0 in the end, though as cache is always
faster than disks.
YMMV depending on bottlenecks your system has.
Jan
On 24 Jun 2015, at 19:36, Ben Hines <[email protected]> wrote:
Did you do before/after Ceph performance benchmarks? I dont care if my
systems are using 80% cpu, if Ceph performance is better than when
it's using 20% cpu.
Can you share any scripts you have to automate these things? (NUMA
pinning, migratepages)
thanks,
-Ben
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Jan Schermer <[email protected]> wrote:
There were essentialy three things we had to do for such a drastic
drop
1) recompile CEPH —without-tcmalloc
2) pin the OSDs to a set of a specific NUMA zone - we had this for a
long time and it really helped
3) migrate the OSD memory to the correct CPU with migratepages
- we will use cgroups in the future for this, should make life easier
and is the only correct solution
It is similiar to the effect of just restarting the OSD, but much
better - since we immediately see hundreds of connections on a
freshly restarted OSD (and in the benchmark the tcmalloc issue
manifested with just two clients in
parallel) I’d say we never saw the raw performance with tcmalloc
(undegraded), but it was never this good - consistently low
latencies, much smaller spikes when something happens and much lower
CPU usage (about 50% savings but we’re also backfilling a lot on the
background). Workloads are faster as well - like reweighting OSDs on
that same node was much (hundreds of percent) faster.
So far the effect has been drastic. I wonder why tcmalloc was even
used when people are having problems with it? The glibc malloc seems
to work just fine for us.
The only concerning thing is the virtual memory usage - we are over
400GB VSS with a few OSDs. That doesn’t hurt anything, though.
Jan
On 24 Jun 2015, at 18:46, Robert LeBlanc <[email protected]> wrote:
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Did you see what the effect of just restarting the OSDs before using
tcmalloc? I've noticed that there is usually a good drop for us just
by restarting them. I don't think it is usually this drastic.
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Robert LeBlanc
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Jan Schermer wrote:
Can you guess when we did that?
Still on dumpling, btw...
http://www.zviratko.net/link/notcmalloc.png
Jan
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