Dave,

I am willing to help.  It is interesting information.  Also that the powerline 
extenders have the same issue, which is really unfortunate.  To do any testing, 
I will need to install a second moca adapter as I currently have only one 
installed to connect to the TV set top boxed from Verizon FIOS.

Other than testing for latency through a Moca bridged connection, vs directly 
connected through Ethernet, is there any specific recommendation on how to test 
to get meaningful information?

Btw, the current release of CeroWRT using fq_codel sqm is excellent at 
controlling bufferbloat both on the wired and wireless connections - so kudos 
to all the hard work that has been done!  Only a few days so far, but I am very 
impressed with the results.  (hopefully we are about to call this the new 
stable).

I may not be able to test the moca setup until the weekend as all of my clients 
who waited forever to replace their XP systems now find it to be critical and 
so we have a very high number of small businesses replacing xp systems with our 
currently recommended Windows 7 Pro x64.

I think in most cases the Moca bridges are primarily feeding streaming video 
and control info to set top boxes and I would think bufferbloat would be not a 
real high concern in those applications.

Powerline adaptors are used pretty often to extend Ethernet to systems which 
are difficult or expensive to wire to, and in situations where wireless signals 
are weak or unreliable.  Bufferbloat for these devices would be much more 
problematic for these applications as it includes web browsing and other 
latency sensitive uses.

Frits

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Taht [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:06 PM
To: Frits Riep
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Network behavior of Moca bridges

I'd like to note that I've got several private reports of really bad, oft 
bufferbloated and (also underbuffered!) behavior on moca bridges, and if you 
are in a position to benchmark such, more public data on the problems would be 
nice.

It generally looks like the same folk that designed homeplug products were 
involved in moca, with similar behaviors as described below with hardware flow 
control and the like, in addition to possible underbuffering and issues with 
shared media backoffs...

http://caia.swin.edu.au/reports/130121A/CAIA-TR-130121A.pdf

http://caia.swin.edu.au/reports/130417A/CAIA-TR-130417A.pdf

But we lack hard public data on how the moca devices actually work or public 
testing.

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