Bingo; that's definitely step one - gateways capable of 10gbit becoming the norm.
On 4 December 2017 at 23:43, Pedro Tumusok <pedro.tumu...@gmail.com> wrote: > For in home or even SMB, I doubt that 10G to the user PC is the main use > case. > Its having the uplink capable of support of more than1G, that 1G does not > necessarily need to be generated by only one host on the LAN. > > > > Pedro > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <j...@aenertia.net> > wrote: >> >> How to deliver a switch, when the wiring and port standard isn't >> actually workable? >> >> 10GBase-T is out of Voltage Spec with SFP+ ; you can get copper SFP+ >> but they are out of spec... 10GbaseT doesn't really work over Cat5e >> more than a couple of meters (if you are lucky) and even Cat6 is only >> rated at 30M... there is a reason no-one is producing Home Copper >> switches and it's not just the NIC Silicon cost (that was a factor >> until Recently obviously, but only part of the equation). >> >> On the flip side: >> Right now I am typing this via a 40gbit network, comprised of the >> cheap and readily available Tb3 port - it's daisy chained and limited >> to 6 ports, but right now it's easily the cheapest and most effective >> port. Pitty that the fabled optical tb3 cables are damn expensive... >> so you're limited to daisy-chains of 2m. They seem to have screwed the >> pooch on the USB-C network standard quite badly - which looked so >> promising, so for the moment Tb3 it is for me at least. >> >> On 4 December 2017 at 23:18, Mikael Abrahamsson <swm...@swm.pp.se> wrote: >> > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: >> > >> >> I'm not going to pretend that 1Gig isn't enough for most people. But I >> >> refuse to believe it's the networks equivalent of a 10A power (20A >> >> depending on where you live in the world) AC residential phase >> >> distribution circuit. >> > >> > >> > That's a good analogy. I actually believe it is, at least for the near >> > 5-10 >> > years. >> > >> >> This isn't a question about what people need, it's more about what the >> >> market can deliver. 10GPON (GPON-X) and others now make it a viable >> >> service that can and is being deployed in residential and commercial >> >> access networks. >> > >> > >> > Well, you're sharing that bw with everybody else on that splitter. >> > Sounds to >> > me that the service being delivered over that would instead be in the >> > 2-3 >> > gigabit/s range for the individual subscriber (this is what I typically >> > see >> > on equivalent shared mediums, that the top speed individual >> > subscriptions >> > are will be in the 20-40% of max theoretical speed the entire solution >> > can >> > deliver). >> > >> >> The problem is now that Retail Servicer Provider X can deliver a post >> >> Gigabit service... what is capable of taking it off the ONU/CMNT point >> >> in >> >> the home? As usual it's a follow the money question, once RSP's can >> >> deliver >> >> Gbit+ they will need an ecosystem in the home to feed into it, and >> >> right now >> >> there isn't a good technology platform that supports it; >> >> 10GBase-X/10GBaseT >> >> is a non-starter due to the variability in home wiring - arguably the 7 >> >> year >> >> leap from 100-1000mbit was easy It's mean a gap of 12 years and >> >> counting for >> >> the same.. it's not just the NIC's and CPU's in the gateways it's the >> >> connector and in-home wiring problems as well. >> > >> > >> > As soon as one goes above 1GE, prices increases A LOT on everything >> > involved. I doubt we'll see any 2.5G or higher speed equipment in wide >> > use >> > in home/SME in the next 5 years. >> > >> >> Blatant Plug - request : >> >> I'm interested to hear opinions on this as I have a talk on this very >> >> topic 'The long and Winding Road to 10Gbit+ in the home' >> >> https://linux.conf.au/ at Linuxconf in January. In particular if you >> >> have any home network gore/horror stories and photos you would be >> >> happy for me to include in my talk, please include. >> > >> > >> > I am still waiting for a decently priced 10GE switch. I can get 1GE >> > 24port >> > managed ones, fanless, for 100-200USD. As soon as I go 10GE, price jumps >> > up >> > a lot, and I get fans. The NICs aren't widely available, even though >> > they're >> > not the biggest problem. My in-house cabling can do 10GE, but I guess >> > I'm an >> > outlier. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swm...@swm.pp.se >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> bl...@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > > > -- > Best regards / Mvh > Jan Pedro Tumusok > > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > _______________________________________________ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel
