Leviton has wallplates for fiber, and the tools for fiber are cheaper than the tools for CAT6. Pulling fiber through walls hasn't been a problem for me. No more than pulling CAT6. I know I shouldn't kink or pull fiber hard. In the worst case, I pull light flexible conduit through walls with pull strings so I can add arbitrary numbers of fibers. This is good practice, anyway (for wires or fibers). On Friday, December 17, 2021 3:18am, "Sebastian Moeller" <moell...@gmx.de> said:
> To add to Joel's point, > > I can do my own catX cable runs and connect sockets/plugs to the cables, but I > lack the tools for fiber-splicing... as cool as that would be it is going to > be > hard to justify multi-100s EUR for a splicer.. That still leaves short > distance in > the main computing area of an appartment/house, but I doubt that many > consumers > have a concentration high enough to justify the costs even there. > > What I do see over here in Europe, with FTTH-roll out speeding up, is CPE that > offer SFP/SFP+ cages for the WAN side though, SFP+ becoming more common since > ISPs > started to deploy XGS-PON (gross 10Gpbs bidirectionally, after FEC ~8.5 Gbps). > > > Regards > Sebastian > > P.S.: I have not started jumping on the 2.5 Gbps or higher train just yet, > none of > my devices seems massively underserved with just 1Gbps yet (with the potential > exception of a single link where >= 2Gbps would be nice since I am one cabe > short and >2Gbps would allow to multiplex two 1Gbps connections over that > cable). > > > > On Dec 16, 2021, at 22:57, Joel Wirāmu Pauling <j...@aenertia.net> > wrote: > > > > Yes but as much as I like fibre; it's too fragile for the average household > structured cabling real world use case. Not to mention nothing consumwe comes > with > SFP+ in the home space. > > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2021, 10:43 am David Lang, <da...@lang.hm> wrote: > > another valuable featur of fiber for home use is that fiber can't contribute > to > > ground loops the way that copper cables can. > > > > and for the paranoid (like me :-) ) fiber also means that any electrical > > disaster that happens to one end won't propgate through and fry other > equipment > > > > David Lang > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2021, David P. Reed wrote: > > > > > Thanks, That's good to know...The whole SFP+ adapter concept has seemed > to me to be a "tweener" in hardware design space. Too many failure points. > That > said, I like fiber's properties as a medium for distances. > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 2:31pm, "Joel Wirāmu Pauling" > <j...@aenertia.net> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heat issues you mention with UTP are gone; with the [ 803.bz ]( > http://803.bz ) stuff (i.e Base-N). > > > It was mostly due to the 10G-Base-T spec being old and out of line with > the SFP+ spec ; which led to higher power consumption than SFP+ cages were > rated > to draw and aforementioned heat problems; this is not a problem with newer > kit. > > > It went away with the move to smaller silicon processes and now UTP > based 10G in the home devices are more common and don't suffer from the > fragility > issues of the earlier copper based 10G spec. The AQC chipsets were the first > to > introduce it but most other vendors have finally picked it up after 5 years or > feet dragging. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:16 AM David P. Reed <[ dpr...@deepplum.com > ]( mailto:dpr...@deepplum.com )> wrote: > > > Yes, it's very cheap and getting cheaper. > > > > > > Since its price fell to the point I thought was cheap, my home has a 10 > GigE fiber backbone, 2 switches in my main centers of computers, lots of 10 > GigE > NICs in servers, and even dual 10 GigE adapters in a Thunderbolt 3 external > adapter for my primary desktop, which is a Skull Canyon NUC. > > > > > > I strongly recommend people use fiber and sfp+ DAC cabling because > twisted pair, while cheaper, actually is problematic at speeds above 1 Gig - > mostly due to power and heat. > > > > > > BTW, it's worth pointing out that USB 3.1 can handle 10 Gb/sec, too, and > USB-C connectors and cables can carry Thunderbolt at higher rates. Those > adapters > are REALLY CHEAP. There's nothing inherently different about the electronics, > if > anything, USB 3.1 is more complicate logic than the ethernet MAC. > > > > > > So the reason 10 GigE is still far more expensive than USB 3.1 is mainly > market volume - if 10 GigE were a consumer product, not a datacenter product, > you'd think it would already be as cheap as USB 3.1 in computers and switches. > > > > > > Since DOCSIS can support up to 5 Gb/s, I think, when will Internet > Access Providers start offering "Cable Modems" that support customers who want > more than "a full Gig"? Given all the current DOCSIS 3 CMTS's etc. out there, > it's > just a configuration change. > > > > > > So when will consumer "routers" support 5 Gig, 10 Gig? > > > > > > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 11:20am, "Dave Taht" <[ > dave.t...@gmail.com ]( mailto:dave.t...@gmail.com )> said: > > > > > > > > > > > >> has really got cheap. > > >> > > >> [ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/innodisk-m2-2280-10gbe-adapter > ]( https://www.tomshardware.com/news/innodisk-m2-2280-10gbe-adapter ) > > >> > > >> On the other hand users are reporting issues with actually using > > >> 2.5ghz cable with this router in particular, halving the achieved > rate > > >> by negotiating 2.5gbit vs negotiating 1gbit. > > >> > > >> [ https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179145#p897836 ]( > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179145#p897836 ) > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: > > >> [ https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org ]( > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org ) > > >> > > >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list > > >> [ Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ]( > mailto:Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ) > > >> [ https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ]( > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ) > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > > > [ Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ]( > mailto:Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net ) > > > [ https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel ]( > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > )_______________________________________________ > > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > _______________________________________________ > > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel >
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