Cold Fusion can scale up to a point if you've got a couple of rooms full of big servers. Other applications deliver alot more bang for the CPU time, though development isn't nearly as quick. Some people *cough* like to point out places like Toysrus and Autobytel, but the reality is with that many servers they should be able to support alot more users than they have. Cold Fusion can handle brochureware like the few MS sites just fine. However, it's been my experience and that of everyone I've spoken with that big sites get slow quickly, and the only way out is to throw in 50 new servers at a time. I personally watched a site I was working on start to choke in the 150-200k range, then with some serious optimizing/tweaking live on until about 500k, at which point we decided to move to a more stable platform. That platform (ATG Dynamo) now supports several million users on the same hardware, and it hardly stops to sweat. Again, I love Cold Fusion and I choose to work with it over more scalable platforms because it's a great product to work with and it gets the job done for most people. I just wouldn't recommend it to an Amazon or even a Toysrus - look how often Toysrus servers go down, how slow they are, how frequently they have major outages. Ed Toon Still a Cold Fusion Developer, still trying to squeeze it just a bit too far. ;) (ps. Where the heck does Amazon use CF???) -----Original Message----- From: CF-Community [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CF-Community V1 #19 CF-Community Fri, 7 Jul 2000 Volume 1 : Number 19 In this issue: RE: Lasso vs Cold Fusion white paper - Your thoughts?? RE: Lasso vs Cold Fusion white paper - Your thoughts?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:16:50 -0700 From: "Mike Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Lasso vs Cold Fusion white paper - Your thoughts?? Message-ID: <007f01bfe82e$c1da6bc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ah yes, Broadvision. The same product that another company was trying to integrate into a system I was working on. It took them over six months to write a decent e-comm app, then when it came time for them to integrate it, they couldn't have it do real-time external communications (XML transfer via HTTP), because of a single-threading issue, and that would halt ALL requests until the transfer completed. The only thing big about Broadvision is its platform requirements and its price-tag. I'll stick with PHP and ColdFusion for most web apps. If I need a "superior" platform, I'll stick with servlets. Michael J. Sheldon Internet Applications Developer Phone: 480.699.1084 http://www.desertraven.com/ PGP Key Available on Request -----Original Message----- From: Ed Toon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 21:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Lasso vs Cold Fusion white paper - Your thoughts?? Maybe you should do a little market research. Cold Fusion is about the furthest thing from being a superior platform to develop highly scalable and efficient web applications. CF doesn't begin to compare with products like BroadVision, Weblogic, Dynamo, Vignette, WebObjects, etc... There're also alot of less expensive (even free) applications that can give CF a run for its money performance-wise. It _IS_ however a highly efficient platform for developing web applications. And I mean developing applications fast. It also beats the pants off of alot of similar offerings, like Lasso, and if you treat it well, it might even scale up to a few hundred thousand users. Just a little reminder that if the only app servers you know about involve ASP and Cold Fusion, you probably shouldn't be making sweeping claims that nobody in their right mind could support. ;) -Ed Toon (I should note that Cold Fusion is getting better every day... I look forward to the final integration of their latest acquisitions into CF 5, which may just bring Cold Fusion into competition with the real heavy hitters.) > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:04:54 +0100 > From: Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Lasso vs Cold Fusion white paper - Your thoughts?? ..snip... > Why does everyone seem to be on the Anti CF bandwagon just lately? I think > because all other companies are in envy of CF and know it is the superior > platform on which to develop highly scalable and efficient web applications. ..snip... > Russ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_community or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:03:48 +0100 From: Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Lasso vs Cold Fusion white paper - Your thoughts?? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ed Toon said -------------------------------------------------------------------- if you treat it well, it might even scale up to a few hundred thousand users. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess you better go and tell that to the many sites that are delivering ColdFusion pages to millions of visitors per day. Like Amazon, Toys R us, some of the Microsoft sites... to name but a few ------------------------------ End of CF-Community V1 #19 ************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_community or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_community or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
