on the 'unbuffered output' tip
that is a feature coming in CF 5.
-chris.alvarado
[developer] - VerticalNet
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Dewey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:26 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: HR and IT
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Gary --
This isn't directed at you, just at the all CF evangelists out there. My
philosophy is 'use the best tool out there', and lately I've found that it
hasn't been CF.
I'm sure to be flamed for this, but Cold Fusion is not the panacea that
everyone claims it to be! Don't get me wrong, it's an incredible RAD
tool... but sometimes a solution can't (and shouldn't) be written in CF.
Someone once called CF 'the glue that binds websites together' or something
like that. My websites are written in CF/ASP/PHP, with a dash of COM. I
should probably swap CF for JSP... but I'd hate to learn yet ANOTHER
scripting language. Please bear in mind that I'm the site programmer (code
and databases)... not the graphics designer.
My BIFFs with CF
* can't set cookies and use CFLOCATION at the same time
* can't remove/delete cookies that are mixed case (sometimes set by other
programs on your website)
* can't talk to COM objects that expect the ASP object model
* can't provide unbuffered output
* can't easily extend the CFFORM functionality
We use lyris for our e-mail based mailing lists (very popular), and as
'easy' as it is to use, we still have people who find its interface
confusing... so I wrote an even SIMPLER interface. Guess what... I had to
be done in ASP, because the COM object that talks with LYRIS expects the ASP
COM model (yes, I could have written a wrapper.. but why?)
We protect our site with SiteServer M&P, because most of the content is not
CF based (HTML, PDF) to reduce server load (100,000 page views a day without
clustering). I had to write a custom COM component to talk with the M&P
LDAP Server, because CF's LDAP doesn't transmit GUIDs properly. That
coupled with the fact that CF can't manage mixed case cookies... *sigh*
I had written a banner tool, which referenced banners as <img
src=/banner.cfm?id=333>. The CFCONTENT tag didn't react well under high
load conditions, often resulting in broken links. Amazing, but PHP doesn't
suffer from that problem... and can (re)write graphics files on the fly!
The guys at UIE tips have proven that quick response from a website is
important... sometimes more important that how easy the site is to navigate.
An ASP/PHP page can take 30 seconds load, but appear to load much more
quickly, because the page output is sent while the page is being generated.
A CF page is only transmitted AFTER the CF script has finished executing.
Take a look at all the major search engines... they use unbuffered output...
and for good reason!
</CF_RANT_N_RAVE>
Ok, that was my $0.02.. thanks for listening!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Guy J. McDowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:53 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: HR and IT
Alright, I'm getting a little frustrated with Human Resources type in
the IT field. Is there any one way to please the majority of these
folks?
I see some things that to me are strange.
"Wanted ColdFusion/ASP developer"
Why? Why would you need a person to do both? If you are using
ColdFusion what do you need ASP for? (This is a rhetorical question. I
have heard all the responses and not one was really valid.)
"Junior CF Developer - Must have B.Sc. 3 years CF experience yadda
yadda"
What's junior about this? This is like saying "Triple A baseball
pitcher needed, must throw like Randy Johnson and have had 3 years in
the majors."
HR - "So what's your minimum required salary?"
Me - "Well about $X."
HR - "That's too low, I don't think you're experienced enough for the
position."
What the heck? Just because I don't over inflate my worth means I
don't know how to do the job? What's up with that?
Next time I'm asking for a hundred grand just to see my resume...then
they will think I am the master right away.
Just rambling and griping in good fun...
Guy
www.guymcdowell.com
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