Tell that to their families... besides, after ditching there probably would
have been no one left to set off the "small" bomb. Crashing into the ocean
has a way of ruining your whole day.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Ihrig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
> the us pilots should have done there job & crashed the plane into the see
&
> destroying the tech info with a small bomb.
>
>
> -paul
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika L Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:07 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
>
>
> That's the first real reason I've heard of in the past few days. That
makes
> total sense to me.....however....doesn't it kind of put the US in between
a
> rock and hard place? How long can the Chinese hold on to our crew members?
>
> Erika
>
> "What's good about telling the truth is there's nothing to remember." -
John
> Ford Noonan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Michl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:39 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
>
>
> I was one of the "spies" in the back of the Air Force equivalent to the
EP-3
> for 8 years, so I guess I feel I'm somewhat qualified to comment here. One
> of the reasons the U.S. can't simply apologize is that the crew is still
> being held captive.
> If the U.S. apologizes there is a possibility that the Chinese will put
the
> crew on trial and use the admission against them. IF an apology is due
(and
> I doubt it is) it should be made AFTER the crew is returned.
>
> Remember too that the crew is being interrogated -- in fact, the pilot is
> now separated from the rest -- so anything said by the U.S. government or
in
> the Press can, and will, be used against them. I've got only a little bit
of
> experience in being interrogated, but believe me, it can be a frightening
> and confusing experience.
>
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ang�l Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:02 AM
> Subject: The sitaution with the p3 Orion in China
>
>
> > It's because to do that would indicate some wrong doing on America's
part.
> > http://centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/EP-3.jpg
> >
> > Inspection of the damaged P3 ORion is consistent with the Chinese claim
> > that,
> > "Our aircraft's heading was 110 degree. The US aircraft was flying 400
> > meters to the right of ours and in parallel. The US plane all the sudden
> > made a large maneuver, it turned inland ward and toward our plane, it's
> nose
> > and left wing colided with one of our plane, causing it to lose control
> and
> > crash into the sea."
> >
> > Here is a picture of the J8 aircraft.
> > http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-8-2_11.jpg
> >
> > Now by ICAO standards, the slowest moving plane in the sky has the right
> > away, and in this case the P3 would have been that plane..so if the
pilot
> > veered away its up to the Interceptor, the CHinese, to maintain
> > seperation.There are also unconfirmed reports that the second J8 fired
> > cannons over the bow of the P3, forcing it down in China.
> >
> > The normal procedure in that situation when a plane is damaged and pilot
> > bails, would have been for the J8 to have orbited the area where the
Pilot
> > went down, to assist SAR. However, the pilot obviously had other things
on
> > his mind, and one has to question what the heck China's true intentions
> were
> > when they sent those two planes. Perhaps it wasn't just for 'intercept'.
> >
> > But think about how an American would feel if circumstances were
reversed
> > and a Chinese plane that was SPYING on America killed an american pilot!
> > COuld you imagine the outrage??
> > Why should the world, or Americans expect a different reaction from the
> > Chinese themselves, a culture far more rigid and focused on maintaining
> its
> > sovereignty than America's culture??
> >
> > America won't apologise, because it can't admit to wrong doing in this
> > case...whether they were right or wrong, because it would set a bad
> > precedent for the future. It's not like they are going to STOP spying on
> > China.
> >
> > However, the American response to threaten China and to draft bills in
> > parliaments to block their entry from the World Trade Organisation, and
> also
> > to somehow influence their eligibility as a site for the 2008 olympics
> isn't
> > kosher either.
> >
> > China could very well have returned the pilots a long time ago, the
> extended
> > length of time that they are keeping them, and questioning them however
is
> > necessary to appease its public, and also to save face. It also seems to
> > suggest that the P3 was onto something, since they have boarded the spy
> > plane and removed equipment.
> >
> > Its a very very edgy situation right now..because we are talking about
> China
> > here, America needs ties in the Chinese economy..and their relation with
> > China can also affect their relationships with other countries in that
> > region.Don't forget the ongoing situation with Taiwan.
> >
> > You can read more on the Chinese view of the matter here:
> > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/jan-june01/chinaamb_4-4.html
> >
> > Henry Kissinger had this to say about the incident:
> > "HENRY KISSINGER: To say we are sorry, we can say we are sorry for the
> loss
> > of the Chinese airplane and for the... we are sorry for the loss of life
> > that has been caused. The spy planes are not a pleasant thing for the
> target
> > of this spy plane. But when you operate in international waters and if
it
> is
> > a fact -- which I believe it is -- that we operated in international
> waters,
> > it is the legitimate right of the United States to do that. It is also
the
> > legitimate right of the Chinese to shadow these planes, and what we have
> > here is an accident that two planes in close proximity, one of them
veered
> > into the other, and whoever did the veering should be determined by some
> > sort of factual investigation. For the Chinese, the issue of sovereignty
> is
> > something that is tied to 150 years of feeling discriminated against by
> > colonialists. And then there was the recent incident, the recent -- a
few
> > years ago -- where the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was bombed. "
> >
> > Note he veers well away from advocating a blanket apology at this
> > stage..which is what the Chinese originally wanted.
> >
> > -Gel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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