'Gel,

Don't know if you found the zdnet article yet; here's a link.
http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,2646052,00.html
[compares CF, Jsp, Asp, & PHP]

I think the big question is - what's most important: getting the project
done in a month or building it to enterprise-scale standards.  I'm not
dissing CF but it's probably not best for high end enterprise-scale
projects.  When I say enterprise-scale, though, I mean projects that
have to run on multiple big-a$$ Sun servers (or HP or IBM or
SGI...whatever).  Frankly, that's bigger than most web shops have ever
seen - certainly bigger than anything I've ever seen.

Were I you, I'd make the case that you need to get this built before you
worry about being the next Yahoo/Amazon/Ebay.  CF will allow your team
to get this project built and launched quickly.  If you need to go back
and tune the code, cluster the servers, upgrade the database, expand the
pipe - fine, do that.  But get it built first!  I'm pretty convinced
that most projects like yours fail because then don't get built or get
built so late they miss the market.

Now you certainly will want to write good code that gives you a chance
to scale - once this project launches and becomes a huge success.  And
your team is much more likely to do that in the language they know (CF)
rather than the language they learn while they write the code.  I
obviously don't know anything about your team.  Speaking from personal
experience, I'm a decent CF programmer with no formal programming
background; I've had difficulty getting my head around Java so far.  I'm
getting there but a typed, object-oriented language is very different
from CF.  If your team has C/C++ (heck even VB) background, they'll be
better off than me, though.

Good luck!  I know how management can get about buzzword-compliance.

Kevin



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ang�l Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Goddamned managers! Use .jsp and not .cfm ..
> 
> 
> Gods I knew I should have stayed home.
> 
> Imagine this..we have a Business 2 Business system to implement in the
> timeframe of about 1 month.
> 
> The 'managers' want us to use .jsp against an Oracle backend, 
> because ".jsp
> is the way to go, and we need to learn it.."
> 
> No one knows java, far less .jsp to a point where any of us 
> can say we are
> comfortable with it.
> We have no .jsp books in house, nor do we have any java/.jsp 
> development
> platforms beside JBuilder.
> 
> I, as senior application developer..must now justify to 
> these...$%#%$%$#@%
> 'managers' why we should use CF instead of .jsp.
> 
> I'm looking now for comparisons between the two. I recall 
> that CF won quite
> handily in several comparisons between .jsp , and .asp but I 
> just can't find
> the damned sites now.
> 
> GODS!!
> 
> Do you know how frustrating it is to always have to justify 
> your choice of a
> language for a development project, even after all your 
> development projects
> that use this language finish ontime and produce happy clients??
> 
> All I hear in Trinidad is ASP..ASP ASP ASP ASP..
> 
> ARRGGHH!
> *tears hair!*
> 
> Does anyone know of the comparison pages I'm talking about? 
> ONe of them was
> from ZDNET I believe..
> 
> 
> -Gel
> 
> 
> 
>
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