Whoa, Whoa, Whoa there!!! Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns are just a 
heartless, soulless instrument that people choose to use to do harm to others. Bats, 
knives, etc. are just instruments as well. Getting rid of guns is not the answer. That 
would be putting a band-aid on something that needs a tourniquet. Evil and wrong doing 
come from the heart and mind of a breathing human being, not a cold piece of metal. 
Yes, it's tragic what is happening to kids today. I just think that we need to get to 
the root of the problem and stop looking for the easy way out of our problems. Let's 
face it, our values have gone way down hill in just the last 30 years. Not everybody, 
mind you, but a lot of people.

I own many guns and will never give them up. But by owning a gun, I accept the 
responsibility that goes along with owning one. Just like I accept the responsibility 
for owning a car. I know that I can't go out and run people over just because I get 
mad. Souds silly doesn't it? And I know that I can't go out and shoot somebody that 
made me mad either. So I fall back on the root of it all. Take responsibility for your 
actions! 

Mark Stewart
Programmer/Analyst
Communication Concepts
215.672.6900 x1332

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I completely agree that gun control will have little effect on the criminals
out there. However we aren't talking about the criminals. We're talking
about kids going out and shooting their classmates in cold blood with the
parents weapons. Gun control would come very close to solving that problem.
If you look at all these school shooting cases I don't recall any of the
kids coming from the homes of known criminals. They come from the homes of
the people who feel a gun will offer them protection from criminals.

"I think everyone for gun control should put
a big sign in their yard (We have no firearms in this household). This would
serve as a great invite to burglars."

I'll put a sign in my yard that says I have no gun. How many people who own
guns "for protection" have had to protect themselves? If some one kicked in
your door would you have either the time or inclination to run for your gun?
Houses are usually robbed when empty and when they're not it's a home
invasion scenario in which case, many are killed with the guns they bought
to protect themselves.

"So .. if I have guns and the kid down the street has guns and he kills a
bunch of people and I don't, what's the difference?  It's not the guns.
I'll say its 50% nature and 50% nurture ... that's what it *really* boils
down to."

The difference is, that if neither household had a gun in it, the kids would
be alive and your chances of being robbed would be no greater.

Do any of us really think that criminals know where the houses with guns
are? Owning a gun is no more a deterrent than being an off duty police
office asleep in your bed, a crook isn't gonna know that going in.

"The next problem with your logic is where do you draw the line? Drug
dealers
train attack dogs to protect their 'crack houses'. When the police bust in,
these dogs attack the police buying their owners time to either attempt
escape or destroy evidence. Do we ban owning dogs?"

That's a slippery slope that can't be answered. By that logic we should out
law doors, since they impeded a cops entering of a house. That's not really
a strong argument. But to address dogs, not all dogs kill, some do some
don't. All guns kill. People or animals, guns have no other purpose than to
end life.

J.



John Wilker
Web Applications Consultant
Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer

www.red-omega.com <http://www.red-omega.com>

"Pessimism - Every dark cloud has a silver lining, but lightning kills
hundreds of people each year who are trying to find it."  ~despair.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:30 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Violent education


| If we had strict gun control then who would we need to protect ourselves
| from? If the criminals couldn't get guns then people wouldn't think they
| needed them in their houses.

I hate to disagree, but strict gun control isn't going to do much to keep
the guns out of the hands of people.  Drugs are actually illegal, yet kids
these days have better access to drugs in schools than they do guns.  Gun
control might help, but it won't solve anything in the long run.  Don't get
me wrong .. I'm no fan of the NRA, but I don't believe in gun control for
the sake of preventing violence alone.  It just isn't going to work.

Growing up, I played violent video games, watched violent shows on TV, had
toy guns, played war with my buddies and all of that.  I also had access to
guns and even personaly owned a few.  I had my share of run-ins with bullies
in highschool, but I *never* felt compelled to take a gun to school and blow
some people away for the hell of it.

So .. if I have guns and the kid down the street has guns and he kills a
bunch of people and I don't, what's the difference?  It's not the guns.
I'll say its 50% nature and 50% nurture ... that's what it *really* boils
down to.

Todd
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