"Then somehow we went from school officials not forcing students to
pray, to school officials forcing students not to pray. Now how is that
good for society? All that is good for is trampling the rights of people to
practice their religions freely and without intereference. It's the first
amendment for crying out loud, and yet it is ignored just the sake of "not
offending anyone". I've heard of kids even being expelled or otherwise
punished for bringing a bible to school."
The reason we can't just not practice it but turn an eye from it is, what
happens when one particular religious group starts practicing en mass, then
they can't go to a particular class then some of them start to ridicule the
other kids for not praying.
There was a very good episode of West Wing that dealt with prayer in school
and why it can't be allowed not just voluntary. So that the fourth grader
that voluntarily steps out during the prayer isn't beaten everyday at lunch
for not praying...
I'm afraid no matter how much some of us want to live on our own, we can't
without a gov't to guide the country we'd all be running around without
educations (Without a gov't where would the public universities get money,
none of us would be paying taxes), etc... the gov't is not the problem with
our country. We are.
J.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 1:23 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Violent education
Whoa there .. easy big fella :)
| Sure if you call self serving working to create a safer and kinder
society -
| guilty as charged.
I'm talking stupid things like the 'outlawing' of prayer in schools (so much
for the seperation of church and state huh?). It started out by the
government deciding that "forced" prayer had no place in public schools. I
agree. Then somehow we went from school officials not forcing students to
pray, to school officials forcing students not to pray. Now how is that
good for society? All that is good for is trampling the rights of people to
practice their religions freely and without intereference. It's the first
amendment for crying out loud, and yet it is ignored just the sake of "not
offending anyone". I've heard of kids even being expelled or otherwise
punished for bringing a bible to school. I personaly remember when someone
I knew in high school had their bible confiscated from their locker when
another student complained that they had one. That's just screwed up if you
ask me. I know it's a bit off on a tangent, but there's a better example
for you than the video games .....
| Society exists for the good of the whole society, not to
| pander to the few vocal ones who bitch about their personal freedoms no
| matter how detrimental to the society as a whole they may be.
See above comments.
I have no
| interest in doing anything to stop the game makers. Again, masking the
| symptoms won't do a damn thing. Again, cut the politically correct bull
| shit. If something is detrimental and bad, get rid of it. Its simple. Most
| of these games serve no real purpose beyond mindless entertainment. If you
| like the games, fine enjoy. But again be willing to live with the
| consequences of the very ideals you are defending.
Exactly what consequences are you talking about? The only consequences I
have to live with are the ones caused by my own actions. I don't feel
responsible for the kid who goes out and kill his classmates. I am
responsible in my indulgance in violent entertainment. If someone else
can't be responsible for their own actions, how is that my fault?
| I think there are some
| wonderful games out there and I enjoy playing some of them from time to
| time. I don't live my life for them nor would I fall into a deep
depression
| if they were suddenly unavailable.
Nor would I .. but the point wasn;t about the games themselves .. it's about
the ideas behind why they would be done away with.
| I would rather spend my time mentoring a
| child who needs an adult in their life or working with various community
| organizations to help make the area in which I live a friendlier and safer
| place for all.
|
| Jim Nitterauer
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Todd Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:00 PM
| To: CF-Community
| Subject: Re: Violent education
|
|
| | Why are people defending these hideous games? Its not the games that
| matter.
|
| Because some people happen to like these games. Because some people are
| getting tired of having everything in the world taken away or censored by
| self-serving special intrest groups who feel compelled to force their
morals
| on the rest of the world.
|
| | Cut the politically correct bull shit and start believing in , standing
up
| for and
| | practicing what is right.
|
| This is why people are defending those games ;)
|
| Todd
| -----
| Every Jedi knows ... Sith happens!
|
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