Yes Virginia CF does scale.....
If you want to see a lot of notes from people who have scaled CF in a big
way visit
http://www.cfconf.org/cf_scale/speakers.cfm
Doug Nottages talk was especially good.
Mark Mathis
TeraTech, Inc. Behind every successful cat
12221 Parklawn Dr., Suite 200
Rockville, MD 20852 is an obedient owner.
(301) 881-1440
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Benjamin S. Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:43 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for
> the OFFICIAL
> Word
>
>
> What makes ColdFusion Enterprise more scalable than the
> Professional version
> if you are not using ClusterCats for a software solution or Cisco
> LocalDirectory for a hardware solution? Last I heard, it was
> the same code
> base. :)
>
> If the reviewers are to be believed, if you were to use one
> of the switches
> from Foundry, F5, or Alteon, your site would probably scale
> far better than
> if you were to use Cisco's LocalDirector. But any hardware
> solution is going
> to be better than a software solution.
>
> Benjamin S. Rogers
> Web Developer, c4.net
> Voice: (508) 240-0051
> Fax: (508) 240-0057
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika L. Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:28 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: FW: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for
> the OFFICIAL
> Word
>
>
> One reply about CF Scalability.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:26 AM
> To: CF-partners
> Subject: RE: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for
> the OFFICIAL
> Word
>
>
> Erika,
>
> I don't work for MM, but I should point out that Macromedia's
> ColdFusion
> Server Senior Product Manager is Dave Gruber and the CF Server Product
> Manger is Tim Buntel.
>
> CF Server Pro does not scale, how ever CF Server Enterprise
> (the key bit
> being _Enterprise_) does scale and has been able to scale as
> long as I can
> remember (about 6-7 years now).
>
> As standard CF Ent 4.x is supplied with ClusterCats, which is software
> server clustering/ip failover, and has the ability to be set
> up on multiple
> servers eg. WebServer --> CF Server --> Database (a very
> simple example)
> using the CFRemote.ini and CFDist.ini (Have a look at the CF
> documentation)
>
> It is very easy to make a CF application that does not scale, but with
> planning (something sadly lacking in the web industry) and good coding
> practices, you can build applications like ebags.com, which
> was one of the
> first very large fusebox website and still is running CF and
> code written
> using the Fusebox methodology.
>
> CF5 actually goes a step further. As it has enhanced
> application monitoring
> features, which include customised agents to monitor applications,
> integration with enterprise management systems vis snmp and
> Agent based
> hardware load balancing integration.
> CF5 will be supported on windows 9x,nt,2000 (with much improved memory
> management and other win2k specific improvements), Solaris
> 2.6/7/8, HPUX II,
> Linux Redhat and additionally Linux SuSE and Cobalt.
>
> I could go on quoting the information that was given to the
> CFUG Managers,
> but I hope that this was sufficient to get you started.
>
> Regards
>
> Stephen
> Northern UK CUG Manager (http://www.cfug.org.uk/)
> Co-Chairman UK CFUG (http://www.ukcfug.org/)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erika L Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 18 May 2001 03:49
> > To: CF-partners
> > Subject: CF Scalability and MacroMedia - Searching for the
> OFFICIAL Word
> >
> >
> > Here's a concern.
> >
> > Anybody from MM care to make an official statement or point
> us in the
> > direction of something online that gives an official statement on
> > what they
> > consider ColdFusion useful for? How scalable it is? Etc, etc.?
> > What is MM's
> > OFFICIAL MARKETING stance on CF's scalability? Rather than
> > hearing about it
> > in articles, second hand....when maybe a quote wasn't meant in
> > that context.
> >
> > I don't want to feel like a complete total idiot the next
> time I go to a
> > client who wants a shopping cart, and we tell them we can
> do it in CF, and
> > they ask about scalability. I then point them to a dozen
> > different websites
> > who are using it successfully, and then the client points
> out an article
> > where someone says it doesn't scale and the quote was made
> by a person who
> > works for the company who releases ColdFusion. Huh?
> >
> > It's widespread articles like the quote from below, that damages our
> > recommendations for ColdFusion.
> >
> > If we are lead to believe in Neo, and how fantastic it will be
> > and how great
> > it will run on the new Java engine, then can't CF stand up
> to the best of
> > them? And if so, why make such statements like below
> (posted on various
> > lists)? CF can do anything, any other language can do,
> properly coded and
> > using existing technologies to enhance it. I thought that's
> where we are
> > headed with it? Especially with the release of NEO.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >From previous posts (not made by me):
> >
> > (CF-Community)
> > Hopefully Macromedia has excused Philip Costa from further
> > employment after
> > a statement like that!!
> >
> > His name sounds familiar, so I hope I'm not berating someone we all
> > appreciate, but how could such a quote be given to PC
> Magazine? ... by
> > someone who is hired to evangelize our favorite product - a
> product we all
> > work hard to defend day in and day out?
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > (NYCFUG Mailing List)
> > Yonah -
> >
> > I would not be surprised if the original question is a
> management response
> > to a quote from the recent PC Magazine article. From page
> 139, sidebar,
> > "Even officials at Macromedia, which also makes the
> Java-based application
> > server, JRun, agree that
> > ColdFusion isn't ideal for high-end business applications.
> 'You can build
> > complex sets of operations in ColdFusion, but the more complex
> > they get, the
> > less useful it becomes,' explains Philip Costa, senior
> product marketing
> > manager for ColdFusion.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > (NYCFUG Mailing List)
> > I know that there has been a lot of talk about scalability and
> > CF, and a lot
> > of responses about how well it scales. In about three + years of CF
> > experience, and dozens of clients with varying levels of traffic
> > I can tell
> > you that CF scales well but does hit some limits. My company has
> > successfully scaled sites to about 10K (100-150K page views
> per day) user
> > sessions a day per CF front end. I'm sure with variations in your
> > application and different database platforms you can get that number
> > closer to 15K or 20K (we use MS SQL, but I'm sure that you might
> > be able to
> > get better performance with Oracle or Informix).
> >
> > The only caveat is that we've seen some performance
> breakdowns at about
> > 100,000 user sessions a day or greater. Granted, that could be a
> > limitation
> > of the amount of hardware we've allocated , but remember, the
> > more hardware
> > you have the more you're going to spend in IT costs and h/w
> management.
> > >
> > As for ASP - not all sites that have pages with .asp
> extensions are using
> > pure ASP. Many of those sites make use of technologies like
> DNA, ISAPI and
> > MTS. Those are all distributed technologies that have
> greater access to
> > Windows native capabilities and therefore more control over
> the OS. ASP is
> > merely the 'glue' that holds these elements together and
> contains the HTML
> > presentation for these components which generally only
> process business
> > logic. I highly doubt that pure ASP will give you performance or
> > scalability
> > to the level that Cold Fusion does, and if you are thinking
> of developing
> > heavier-duty applications with COM/DCOM or any of the
> technologies listed
> > above, there is no reason that you can't combine them with
> CF. In theory,
> > you could use CFSCRIPT and CFOBJECT to write the same code you
> > would in ASP.
> >
> > The bottom line, in the real world CF is a hands-down,
> better option than
> > ASP for sites that will service less than 100K users a day,
> at a minimum.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > (NYCFUG Mailing List)
> > The CIO just asked me about CF scalability.
> >
> > He heard rumors that it does not.
> >
> > How does it scale compared to ASP?
> >
> > Is there any documentation that I can present to show scalability?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------
> > ---------
> > Sincere thanks,
> >
> > Erika
> > (with a *K*)
> >
> > "Here we are in this wholly fantastic universe with
> scarcely a clue as to
> > whether our existence has any real significance." - Sir Fred Hoyle
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
>
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