Groovy! As long as they don't hang me... <grin> Erika (with a *K*) "Don't hurry, don't worry. You're only here for a short visit. So be sure to stop and smell the flowers." - Walter C. Hagen ----------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:50 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: PHP Erika, I'd like to forward that question to the Fusebox list. : ) I will let you know what they say. (Hey, cross-posting between lists -- ain't it great?!!) > Oh, and one more question, has anyone benchmarked a Fusebox site against a > non-Fusebox site of the exact nature for performance? ***** don't throw > donuts or stale muffins at me, I'm just curious.... ***** > > > Erika > (with a *K*) > > "Don't hurry, don't worry. You're only here for a short visit. So be sure to > stop and smell the flowers." - Walter C. Hagen > ----------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Dewey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:01 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: PHP > > > <CF_RANT Correct_Grammar="OFF" FOAMING_AT_MOUTH="ON"> > Friends, CF_Coders, Earthlings... I have come here to praise CF App Server > not to trash it... > > The article is interesting, but flawed with generalizations and no hard > evidence... plus the author is obviously biased. He starts with the premise > is that the ISAPI version is always better than a CGI version, which > normally would be true when you deal with a bloatware such as CF. > > Whereas one could say that ISAPI apps are better then CGI apps because the > ISAPI app is always loaded, one could just as easily say that the CGI apps > are better than ISAPI apps because they get re-initialized all the time, so > you don't have to worry about threading issues or memory leaks. [how many > of us remember restarting/rebooting CF 3, and CF 4 processes/servers because > the server had locked?! CF 4.5 has auto-restart but this 'feature' still > remains]. The author also lambasts PHP loadable modules because they're > not free threaded... which isn't an issue in CGI mode. > > It doesn't mention the fact that PHP can do anything/everything CF can do > and whole lot more. PHP may be a scripting language, but supports ... nay > pratically requires proper programming such as classes and functions [true > coding practices], while CF practically requires sloppy code. As far as I > can tell, most of the comments about CF scalability (or lack thereof) stem > from poor coding practices. > > Case in point: We recieve 1M PHP his/month and the server barely notices the > traffic. > </CF_RANT> > > <CF_SUGGESTION> > Someone should come up with a fairly complex [carpoint anyone] application, > write it in CF ASP and PHP, and then benchmark it... so that we can put this > issue to bed... but no one will because it's probably not cost effective. > </CF_SUGGESTION> > > <CF_CONCLUSION> > PHP has it's place, just like CF has it's place. When you're scoping out a > project you have to decide what the project needs to accomplish, then find > the right tool to write it in, not the other way around. > </CF_CONCLUSION> > > Ok, I'm done. Thanks for listening. > > --- > Daniel Dewey |"There is a race between mankind and the uni- > Systems Developer | verse. Mankind is trying to build bigger, > MCP (NT srvr/wkstn/eprise)| better, faster, and more foolproof machines. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The universe is trying to build bigger, better > | and faster fools. So far the universe is > winning" > http://www.pobox.com/~dewey | 610-868-1421, x115 > The National Association of Colleges and Employers > > These opinions are mine, and may not be the same as my employer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erika L. Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 11:07 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: PHP > > > Hi guys, > > Remember all that bad stuff going around on f**ckedcompany.com? About CF > versus PHP and that CF was crap? > > Well, I read this over on the ever wonderful FusionAuthority this week and > found it to be truly interesting... > > Larry J. Seltzer of PC Magazine looked at PHP and one of its support > sources, Zend Technologies, Inc. and came to two conclusions ColdFusion > developers might find interesting: "But though PHP thrives on hosted > servers, it's too immature for a high-traffic business environment. As much > as we were rooting for it to succeed in our testing, it failed--especially > when we attempted to evaluate on Windows." And (regarding Zend]: "If we have > to make a trade-off be tween IDE and debugging, we'd rather use a better > editor, such as Allaire's Home Site, and deal with debugging the hard way." > PHP and Zend (ZDNet Tech InfoBase / PC Magazine, May 7, 2001) > > HHmmmm....... > > Erika > (with a *K*) > > "Don't hurry, don't worry. You're only here for a short visit. So be sure to > stop and smell the flowers." - Walter C. Hagen > ----------------------------------------------------- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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