----- Original Message -----
From: dana tierney
To: CF-Community
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
> "you" was generic!
ok :) again, checking, because what you are rebutting is close to my view
> pro-choice doesnt' dictate anyone elses morality - calling abortion
> murder calls it that for all people - i.e. says its a wrong choice for
> more than just myself.
And hmm, not sure I agree. Murder is definitely a loaded word. It does imply that the fetus is alive, human and entitled to keep living. I know you (Beth) can issue with the last of those assumptions. Maybe I do too. However I do think you can think abortion is sometimes, perhaps, possibly or probably wrong and yet be pro-choice. Those are not incompatible positions.
You can defend the right of someone to speak up in a cause you believe is wrong, right? So thinking a thing is wrong does not mean that you have to try to keep it from happening, or even that you should. Similarly I can deplore the number of abortions each year without condemning any specific woman's actions. In my opinion.
Dana
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dana tierney
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
>
>
> I don't know if your "you" here" explicitly means me. If so, then I am
> not totally sure it would be murder, though I include that way. It's
> again a matter of definition. But I very carefully don't impose my
> views on others when I say that my religious views are irrelevant to
> a discussion of social policy. Some people with this belief think that
> it is their duty to try to prevent a murder -- the picketers outside
> my office complex for example. It's logicaly sound based on their
> premises. I just don't agree, I guess with the premises.
>
> I am not sure that you can say people are imposing their views on you
> until they have guns and policemen to back them up. Or at least
> significant moral authority which you accept. For example, the
> Catholic church is attempting to impose its views on abortion on its
> members when it decrees that people who vote for pro-choice
> politicians should not receive the sacraments. The attempt is largely
> irrelevant if you are not concerned with the opinion of the Catholic
> church.
>
> So supposing I were to think a given abortion was murder according to
> some definition -- if this is simply my unexpressed private opinion
> then I don't see that it imposes anything on you at all. If I were
> screaming epithets at the mother it begins to come close...If I am
> amending the law then it does, for sure.
>
> Dana
>
> > I am pro-choice - i think your choice to have a severely handicapped
>
> > child is as valid as mine not to.
> > By calling my choice "murder" (which is illegal) thats imposing your
>
> > religious or moral views upon me.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: dana tierney
>
> > To: CF-Community
>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 10:49 AM
>
> > Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
> >
> >
>
> > how so?
> >
>
> > > Except that the view that abortion is murder and should be illegal
>
> > is
>
> > > inherently imposed on others, I think.
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