> From: Chris Stoner > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:19 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: legalizing torture
>
> Marlon Moyer wrote:
>
> > I've been hearing about this all last night and this morning. It
> > really, really, really pisses me off. Bush seems to think he's
above
> > the rest of the world on everything.
>
> I completely understand the disapproval of torture, but to suggest
Bush
> thinks he is above the rest of the world (in regards to the specific
> topic of torture) is a bit of a stretch. The rest of the world is
> torturing their prisoners (and many of their citizens), its us (The
US)
> that are not. We are simply taking a step in their direction. Heaven
> forbid that we act like everyone else. Also torture can be a quite
> effective technique whether we like it or not, just ask the poor
victim
> Saddam Hussein.
>
Let me rephrase that, I believe he thinks he is above any treaty that we
may have signed in the past. You are right, torture can be very
effective, but how much sense does it make to invade a country because
it's leader is torturing its people and then do the same. It seems to
me that the Bush admin has tried spinning the WMD issue into a human
rights issue and now they're having problems supporting either.
> I just don't agree with the outrage (understand but don't agree).
When
> any foreign country kills 1000's of its people, we don't seem to have
a
> problem with it but the second one of our prisoners chips a nail, all
> hell breaks loose. Even among our own people (Americans).
>
Actually, I think our prison system stinks and isn't hard enough on
inmates. I want the return of chain gangs and hard labor. I don't want
the death penalty because I want people to pay with sweat and hard work
for their crimes.
> > It pains me to see the damage he's
> > doing to the reputation of this country.
>
> It's kind of funny, the damage to me, is the constant complaining from
> the Left. It fuels the fire ten fold. Don't get me wrong, the Right
> would be doing the same thing, but this is a circumstance where our
own
> politics are magnifying other countries' ill perceptions.
>
Yes, this is a problem. Our country has become very polarized where
neither side is able to do anything without a full complement of
criticisms coming down the pike. The presidents aren't doing anything
to help this either.
>
> > Next time a country goes to war against us, or we preemptively
strike
> > them, I'm sure torture may be a lot easier to justify against our
> > soldiers given Bush's actions.
> >
> You act as though we (our captive soldiers) were not already getting
> tortured which is just plain wrong.
>
No, I know that torture has always existed and was used against us.
What I'm saying is that it will probably become more common against us
given these revelations.
>
> > --
> > Marlon Moyer, Sr. Internet Developer
> > American Contractors Insurance Group
> > phone: 972.687.9445
> > fax: 972.687.0607
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> > www.acig.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 8:39 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: legalizing torture
> > >
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26602-2004Jun8.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Legalizing Torture
> > >
> > > Wednesday, June 9, 2004; Page A20
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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