I was only bringing the Israel thing as an example of the last time
such a group took out an ad, etc.
I'm saying be skeptical about this until you know more about those who
signed the ad. They may well be a shill for someone.
I saw some of the names. My question again is what are they doing now.
Are they truly independent or is there a thread in what they do or
who's supporting them.

At 08:58 PM 6/17/04, Michael D. wrote:
>The last time this was done it was an anti-Israel thing and the people
>who signed up for it could all be traced to Arab lobby groups and the
>like. None of the papers say who these people are, what they do now,
>who's funding them or any of that information. I'm just saying that
>before being impressed by this, be skeptical.

Michael, you don't have to be anti-Israel to recognize that Bush and his
minions are failing horribly and the war in Iraq is a total mess.  These
people aren't shills for the Arabs, they are members of the military and
diplomatic corps who are deeply concerned about the future of this country
if Bush stays in office.   As we all should.

FYI:

Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change includes Adm. William J. Crowe
Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Ronald Reagan
and U.S. ambassador to the Court of St. James's under President Bill
Clinton; Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, named by President George H.W. Bush to
lead U.S. forces in the Middle East; Gen. Merrill A. "Tony" McPeak, former
U.S. Air Force chief of staff who was the Oregon chairman of Republican
Robert J. Dole's presidential campaign; and Adm. Stansfield Turner,
Director of Central Intelligence under President Carter.

The group also includes  former ambassadors Jeffrey Davidow, William
DePree, Charles Freeman Jr., William Harrop, Arthur Hartman, H. Allen
Holmes, Samuel Lewis, Princeton Lyman, Jack Matlock Jr., Donald McHenry,
Richard Murphy, David Newsom, Phyllis Oakley, John Reinhardt, Ronald
Spiers, Nicholas Veliotes and Alexander Watson.
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