> Ok..so this relates to point two.

> Is that really in question, that Marriage is a religious
> institution.
> Is that being debated?

> I think it is clear that 'Marriage' connotates religion,
> and that it is a
> religious institution with deeply rooted religious
> traditions.
> The Sacrament of Marriage is religious.

> The Law and State view of the Union of a couple, is not
> religious and that is
> what the license is for. There is no need for a state
> license to be bound in the
> Sacrament of Marriage, whether Catholic, Muslim, Hindu,
> Protestant etc.

> It is very possible for people to obtain a Marriage
> license without being a part
> of any religious group and be recognised as married by the
> state, but not by any
> religion.

Except that afaik whereas the state doesn't recognize religious
marriage ceremonies, most religions and religious leaders recognize
civil marriages, whether the couple married in a church with a
minister, etc. or not. The same way that -- and in today's world I
have a hard time understanding why anyone does this -- when you
"change religions" and go from say Judaism to Catholicism, the
catholic church acknowledges your marriage to your spouse which
occurred in the semetic tradition. (I don't have a hard time
understanding why people change religions, but rather, why churches
still have conversion _classes_ you have to go through before being
considered a part of the new religion or moreover why people actually
bother to go through the classes instead of simply studying the
teachings for themselves.) Heck, religions in general in todays world
are much more accepting of people and of the ceremonies of other
religions. Didn't used to be back when religion informed society more
-- now it's informed by business. But nowadays even the Catholic
church will acknowledge a baptism ceremony performed in the LDS
(mormon) church (even though the LDS church doesn't acknowledge
Catholic baptisms as having any validity). In general, Catholicism
nowadays seems to be pretty accepting -- as long as you feel guilty,
you're good by them. :)

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