lost it.
I gotta go. Going to see the new Bourne movie.
TTFN
-----Original Message-----
From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 4:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Electoral College/DNC
I remember something similar about military votes. Let's assume you
are right and that those votes were Republican, just for the sake of
the argument. It doesn't matter. The issue with Florida as I see it is
this:
All of the votes were not counted.
If Democrats caused votes to not be counted, that is wrong. If
Republicans caused votes to not be counted, that is wrong.
If Florida law said the intent of the voter is the standard then
Florida law should have been followed. If the Supreme Court decision
prevented the implementation of the applicable provisions of the
Florida Constitution then that is wrong.
My understanding of that election result btw is that if Gore had won a
recount in the areas where he asked for a recount he would still have
lost. However if he had asked for a recount statewide and not just in
the areas where he thought the recount might go his way then he would
have won.
So I am open to the idea that the Gore camp tried to get cute. And
apparently it cost him. Nonetheless, the votes were not counted
properly and the proximate cause was a Supreme Court decision that
does not stand up to scrutiny.
imho :)
Dana
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:46:28 -0500
Subject: RE: Electoral College/DNC
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ok, wrong term(damn, I am suffering from Bush-idis). How about "funny
business". I believe that one or more of the democratically controlled
voting
areas either tried to or did disallow military ballets. As I remember the
commentary, the military historically votes Republican. Then to accuse Bush
of trying to steal the election, to go against the will of the people is the
highest level of hypocrisy.
My point being that both sides used all of the tools possible to win. It
had
very little to do with the will of the people, everything to do with the
will
of each party. if the Florida Supreme court would have gone the other way,
then the Dems would have gone to the Supreme court. There was just too much
at stake for either party to not pursue this to the highest levels possible.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 3:17 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Electoral College/DNC
There was something about military ballots. I'd have to look it up,
but there was something. However, aren't you assuming that those votes
would have been republican? And uh... correct me if I am wrong but the
democrats did not run the election did they? The one I participated in
administering in Maryland involved vote counters and observers from
each side I think.
Also gerrymandering usually involves redrawing districts to make the
election of certain candidates more likely. Am not aware of
allegations of this in Florida; could have missed them, sure, but
aren't the Republicans in power down there?
Dana
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:52:28 -0500
Subject: RE: Electoral College/DNC
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Good to tangle with you again....
Question: Did the democrats across run a lily clean election? Or, just
focus
on Florida. Wasn't there something about Military ballets, for example.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:27 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Electoral College/DNC
stop the gerrymandering? <g>
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:32:54 -0500
Subject: RE: Electoral College/DNC
To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I am confused. I didn't realize that the Supreme Court changed the vote
in
Florida. Didn't they just stop the gerrymandering?
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:44 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Electoral College/DNC
Didn't the Supreme Court give Bush the 2000 election? The electoral
college
just ratified that decision IMHO.
_____
From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The electoral college gave Bush the 2000 election. Without it, Gore
wins,
by
the popular vote....and thats just the way it should
be.
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