Anyhow what about the cultural and historical significance of the
city? I take it that sort of stuff doesn't mean anything to you. Just
plow it all under I guess.
larry
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:56:11 -0400, Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank god they won't rebuild the city if its wiped out. I hope all the
> people find a way to get out. I know they won't. I know alot of people
> will try to ride it out and if it is big enough they will almost
> surely die. I am constantly amazed that on years the "flood plains"
> flood off the Mississippi river after the water recedes people rebuild
> their houses. Thankfully some move to higher ground but there are
> always the goof balls who don't seem to mind or have a reason to keep
> rebuilding.
> It is a waste of money to try to rebuild that city if it completely
> disappears underwater. I mean its a great city but come on 8 feet
> under water is alot of water to move.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:29:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: Ivan Speaking at MAX?
> To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> too late for me on that account. Hopefully there won't be too much damage.
>
> larry
>
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:06:02 -0400, Sandy Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Maybe I'll wait to buy my plane tickets til next week.
> >
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> > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:25 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Ivan Speaking at MAX?
> >
> >
> > From this morning's Washington Post about the dangers to New Orleans:
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20277-2004Sep14.html
> >
> > Awaiting Ivan in the Big Uneasy
> > New Orleans Girds For Major Damage
> >
> > By Michael Grunwald and Manuel Roig-Franzia
> > Washington Post Staff Writers
> > Wednesday, September 15, 2004; Page A01
> >
> > NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 14 -- Walter Maestri, an emergency manager here in
> > America's most vulnerable metropolitan area, has 10,000 body bags
> > ready in case a major hurricane ever hits New Orleans. As Hurricane
> > Ivan's expected path shifted uncomfortably close to this low-lying
> > urban soup bowl Tuesday, Maestri said he might need a lot more.
> >
> > If a strong Category 4 storm such as Ivan made a direct hit, he
> > warned, 50,000 people could drown, and this city of Mardi Gras and
> > jazz could cease to exist.
> >
> > "This could be The One," Maestri said in an interview in his
> > underground bunker. "You're talking about the potential loss of a
> > major metropolitan area."
> >
> > Forecasters said Tuesday night that they expected Ivan to veer at
> > least 70 miles east of New Orleans before making landfall early
> > Thursday, somewhere along the Gulf Coast extremities of Louisiana,
> > Alabama or Mississippi. But Ivan has consistently drifted farther west
> > than their predictions. This port city's levees are designed to
> > withstand only a Category 3 storm, and officials begged residents to
> > evacuate the area "if you have the means."
> >
> > By evening, the city's few escape routes were spectacularly clogged,
> > and authorities acknowledged that hundreds of thousands of residents
> > would not get out in time. The stranded will not be able to turn to
> > the Red Cross, because New Orleans is the only city in which the
> > relief agency refuses to set up emergency storm shelters, to ensure
> > the safety of its own staff. Even if a 30-foot-high wall of water
> > crashes through the French Quarter -- Maestri's worst-case scenario --
> > stranded residents will be on their own.
> >
> > New Orleans is often described as a disaster waiting to happen -- it
> > is mostly below sea level, practically surrounded by water,
> > artificially kept dry by pumps and levees, rapidly losing its natural
> > storm protection. But rarely have its leaders sounded so afraid that
> > the wait could be over soon.
> >
> > "I'm terrified," said Windell Curole, director of the South Lafourche
> > Levee District in the swampy bayous south of the city. "I'm telling
> > you, we've got no elevation. This isn't hyperbole. The only place I
> > can compare us to is Bangladesh."
> >
> > More than 100,000 Bangladeshis died in a 1991 storm, and Curole is
> > genuinely afraid that a similar tragedy could strike New Orleans, most
> > of which sits six to eight feet lower than the surrounding waters of
> > the Mississippi River, Lake Pontchartrain and the Gulf of Mexico. Ivan
> > is the strongest storm to threaten the region since Hurricane Betsy
> > nailed New Orleans in 1965. It brought more than $7 billion of havoc
> > at a time when southern Louisiana was less populated and less exposed.
> >
> > The doomsayers are quick to add a caveat: Ivan might not turn out to
> > be The One. The National Hurricane Center expects the storm to swerve
> > toward the area between Gulfport, Miss., and Mobile, Ala. Officials in
> > Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and the Florida Panhandle were urging
> > residents Tuesday to leave coastal areas. "I beg people on the coast:
> > Do not ride this storm out," Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour (R) said.
> >
> > A dozen coastal casinos were shuttered in Mississippi, and Barbour's
> > evacuation order for coastal areas was mandatory. In Alabama, Gov. Bob
> > Riley (R) ordered evacuations from Gulf Shores, Orange Beach and Fort
> > Morgan, and some towns postponed runoff elections scheduled for
> > Tuesday. Evacuation was mandatory in parts of Escambia, Bay and Walton
> > counties in Florida, and most schools in the Panhandle were closed.
> >
> > Most scientists, engineers and emergency managers agree that if Ivan
> > does spare southern Louisiana this time, The One is destined to arrive
> > someday. The director of the U.S. Geological Survey has warned that
> > New Orleans is on a path to extinction. Gregory W. Stone, director of
> > the Coastal Studies Institute at Louisiana State University, frets
> > that near misses such as Hurricane Georges -- a Category 2 storm that
> > swerved away from New Orleans a day before landfall in 1998 -- only
> > give residents a false sense of security. The Red Cross has rated a
> > hurricane inundating New Orleans as America's deadliest potential
> > natural disaster -- worse than a California earthquake.
> >
> > "I don't mean to be an alarmist, but the doomsday scenario is going to
> > happen eventually," Stone said. "I'll stake my professional reputation
> > on it."
> >
> > The main problem with southern Louisiana is that it is dangerously
> > low, and getting lower. The levees that imprisoned the Mississippi
> > River into its shipping channel and helped make New Orleans one of the
> > world's busiest ports have also prevented the muddy river from
> > spreading sediment around its delta.
> >
> > As a result, southern Louisiana is sinking into the Gulf, losing about
> > 24 square miles of coastal marshes and barrier islands every year.
> > Those marshes and islands used to help slow storms as they approached
> > New Orleans; computer simulations now predict that the loss of these
> > natural storm barriers will increase storm surges and waves by several
> > feet.
> >
> > On a seaplane tour of the region Tuesday, Gerald M. Duszynski,
> > assistant secretary of the Louisiana Department of Natural Resources,
> > pointed out an area near the tiny bayou town of Leesville, where he
> > fished for redfish and flounder 25 years ago. Once a solid patch of
> > green tidal marsh, it is now mostly open water, with a few strips and
> > splotches of green.
> >
> > "This used to be perfect, and now look at it," Duszynski said. "The
> > buffer is gone. Now even the little storms give a big influx."
> >
> > Louisiana's politicians, environmentalists and business leaders have
> > been pushing for a $14 billion coastal restoration project to try to
> > bring back those lost marshes and islands -- in order to help protect
> > New Orleans as well as an oil and gas industry that handles nearly a
> > third of the nation's supply.
> >
> > The Bush administration forced the state to scale down its request to
> > $1.2 billion last year, and a Senate committee authorized $375
> > million. But Mark Davis, executive director of the Coalition to
> > Restore Coastal Louisiana, believes that even if Ivan bypasses the
> > region, its scary approach could help galvanize support for a more
> > comprehensive fix.
> >
> > "We're running out of tomorrows," Davis said. "God willing, if there's
> > still a southern Louisiana next week, I'm not talking about the
> > politics of the possible anymore. It's now a question of which side
> > are you on: Do you support the obliteration of a region, or do you
> > want to try to save it?"
> >
> > On Tuesday, though, most local officials were thinking more about the
> > potential danger than the potential opportunity. If Ivan does pound
> > New Orleans, tidal surges could leave the city underwater for months,
> > since its pumps can remove only about an inch every hour, creating a
> > "toxic soup" of chemicals, rodents, poisons and snakes.
> >
> > The local officials said they could not order a mandatory evacuation
> > in a city as poor as New Orleans, in which more than 100,000 residents
> > have no cars, but they urged people to find some way to escape. "If
> > you want to take a chance, buy a lottery ticket," said Jefferson
> > Parish President Aaron Broussard. "Don't take a chance on this
> > hurricane."
> >
> > New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin seemed flustered as he pleaded with his
> > constituents to flee, at one point suggesting that they take shelter
> > in area hospitals. Visitors were also urged to find somewhere else to
> > go -- including 10,000 conventioneers in town for the annual meeting
> > of the National Safety Council.
> >
> > "This is not a drill," Nagin said. "This is the real deal."
> >
> > But the logistics of exit are quite formidable in the Big Easy. In
> > 1998, as more than 300,000 people fled Hurricane Georges, Interstate
> > 10 turned into a parking lot. Similar miles-long snarls unfolded
> > Tuesday. Flights were cancelled and the airport prepared to close. The
> > town that gave the world "A Streetcar Named Desire" idled its
> > streetcars.
> >
> > The underlying problem, Maestri said, is that the city never should
> > have been built in the first place. It is a terrific location for
> > business but a lousy location for safety.
> >
> > "The Chamber of Commerce gets really mad at me when I say this, but
> > does New Orleans get rebuilt?" Maestri asked. The answer, he said,
> > could very well be no.
> >
> > Staff writer Manny Fernandez in Apalachicola, Fla., contributed to this
> > report.
> >
> > C 2004 The Washington Post Company
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:06:43 -0700, Cameron Childress
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I wonder what happens to MAX is New Orleans Floods this week? I
> > > wonder how long it takes to clean up after a really angry hurricane in
> > > New Orleans?
> > >
> > > From:
> > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/WEATHER/09/14/hurricane.ivan/index.html
> > > "The city basically sits like a bowl and most of the city is under sea
> > > level ... so if we get a storm like Ivan to hit us directly" there
> > > could be 12 to 18 feet of water in the city, Nagin said.
> > >
> > > -Cameron
> > >
> > >
> > _____
> >
> >
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