ther eis a difference between weapons and weaponized fissile
materials, and nuclear materials. It has never been disputed that Iraq
had a research program and a couple of nuclear reactors. What has been
stolen was the materials and equipment in those research facilities.

larry

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:31:42 -0500, Andy Ousterhout
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Please reconcile this article with all of the other documents that you have
> provided this list showing that it has been "proven" that Iraq had neither a
> nuclear weapons program or the ability to produce them and that this was well
> know before the war.
>
> Either it wasn't a concern then and now or it is.  You can't have it both
> ways.
>
> Andy
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:48 AM
>   To: CF-Community
>   Subject: Re: U.N. watchdog agency: Nuclear materials looted from Iraq while
> US prevented UN access to sites
>
>   Here's the full story:
>   http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.nuclear/index.html
>
>   Nuclear materials 'vanish' in Iraq
>
>   UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Equipment and materials that could be used to
>   make nuclear weapons have disappeared from Iraq, the chief of the
>   U.N.'s atomic watchdog agency has warned.
>
>   Satellite imagery shows entire buildings that once housed
>   high-precision equipment that could be used to make nuclear bombs have
>   been dismantled, the International Atomic Energy Agency said in a
>   letter to the Security Council.
>
>   In the letter, IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei said that though some
>   radioactive equipment taken from Iraq after the war began has shown up
>   in other countries, none of the high-quality, dual-use equipment or
>   materials that is missing has been found.
>
>   The U.S. government prevented U.N. weapons inspectors from returning
>   to Iraq -- thereby blocking the IAEA from monitoring the high-tech
>   equipment and materials -- after the U.S.-led war was launched in
>   March 2003.
>
>   The Bush administration then deployed U.S. teams in what turned out to
>   be an unsuccessful search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
>
>   The IAEA said in its letter that U.S. and Iraqi officials have not
>   reported dismantling any sites relevant to Iraq's nuclear program.
>
>   Anti-proliferation agreements say that the United States, which
>   administered Iraq until June 2004, and the Iraqi interim government,
>   which took over from the United States in June, must inform the IAEA
>   of any import or export of such materials and equipment.
>
>   But since March 2003 "the agency has received no such notifications or
>   declarations from any state," ElBaradei said.
>
>   The nuclear agency has since then had to rely on satellite imagery to
>   work out what is happening with Iraq's nuclear sites.
>
>   "The imagery shows in many instances the dismantlement of entire
>   buildings that housed high precision equipment ... formerly monitored
>   and tagged with IAEA seals, as well as the removal of equipment and
>   materials (such as high-strength aluminum) from open storage areas,"
>   he said.
>
>   In his letter, ElBaradei added that "as the disappearance of such
>   equipment and materials may be of proliferation significance, any
>   state that has information about the location of such items should
>   provide IAEA with that information."
>
>   A spokesman for the U.S. Mission in New York said he had not seen the
> letter.
>
>   In a report to the Security Council in early September, a U.N.
>   commission charged with overseeing the elimination of any banned Iraqi
>   missile, chemical and biological weapons programs, also expressed
>   concern about the disappearance of tagged equipment.
>
>   Demetri Perricos, head of the commission, known as UNMOVIC, said Iraqi
>   authorities for over a year have been shipping thousands of tons of
>   scrap metal, including at least 42 engines from banned missiles and
>   other equipment that could be used to produce banned weapons.
>
>   In the first presidential debate of the 2004 campaign, President
>   George W. Bush and Sen. John Kerry agreed that nuclear proliferation
>   is the single most serious threat facing the United States.
>
>   George W. Bush has justified the war in Iraq in part by saying that
>   former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was on the brink of developing a
>   nuclear bomb that he might use against the United States or give to
>   terrorists.
>
>   But a CIA report released last week by chief U.S. weapons inspector
>   Charles Duelfer concluded that Hussein terminated his nuclear program
>   after the first Gulf War in 1991.
>
>   -- CNN Associate Producer Lauren Rivera contributed to this report.
>
>   Find this article at:
>   http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.nuclear/index.html
>
>   On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:46:24 -0400, Larry C. Lyons
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   > From CNN:
>   > http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/12/iraq.main/index.html
>   >
>   > U.N. watchdog agency: Nuclear materials gone
>   >
>   > Equipment and materials that could be used to make nuclear weapons
>   > have disappeared from Iraq, warns the chief of the U.N. atomic
>   > watchdog agency.
>   >
>   > Satellite imagery shows entire buildings that once housed
>   > high-precision equipment that could be used to make nuclear bombs have
>   > been dismantled, the International Atomic Energy Agency said in a
>   > letter to the U.N. Security Council. (Full story)
>   >
>   > A CIA report released last week by chief U.S. weapons inspector
>   > Charles Duelfer concluded that dictator Saddam Hussein terminated his
>   > nuclear program in 1991 after the Persian Gulf War.
>   >
>   > The U.S. government prevented U.N. weapons inspectors from returning
>   > to Iraq after the current war -- thereby blocking the IAEA from
>   > monitoring the high-tech equipment and materials.
>   >
>   > Anti-proliferation agreements say that the United States and the Iraqi
>   > interim government must inform the IAEA of any import or export of
>   > such materials and equipment.
>   >
>   > "The kind of equipment we're talking about ... is the sort of thing
>   > that has a multitude of industrial applications," said IAEA spokesman
>   > Mark Gwozdecky in a phone interview from the agency's headquarters in
>   > Vienna, Austria.
>   >
>   > "We were satisfied when we were in Iraq that it was not being used for
>   > a nuclear weapons program. In the wrong hands, it could be turned to
>   > the use in a nuclear weapons program. Until we establish that this
>   > material is in responsible hands, we have to treat it as a serious
>   > proliferation concern."
>   >
>
>
>
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