Having been in the military, I know that a "retirement" is often as much a
firing as anything.  I don't believe Shinseki was "fired" i.e. "Get your
crap and get out", but that he was made into a lame duck by announcing his
retirement prematurely and was ignored for the remainder of his tenure.  The
reason an actual "firing" is not done is because it affects the retirement
benefits of the officer involved. This is as good as a firing, and I do
believe that this is the thrust of any conversation involving Shinseki.

- Matt Small


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:34 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: October Surprise - the short version

When one disagrees with ones boss and is forced to quit, it is never because
the boss is correct.  Only time shows whether the boss or subordinate where
correct.  Many times, the disagreement has less to do with substance then
with style.  The actual cause of Shinseki's leaving is likely never to be
known, and the statements made by you and Jerry are a combination of
conjecture and one sides view.

My problem is both of your willingness to state opinion as fact when reality
is so much more complicated.  In many ways you are acting in the same
fashion that you accuse the man you dislike, which seems somewhat
disingenuous.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Gruss Gott

To be blunt, Gen Shinseki thought the Pentagon was full of idiots and
so they all decided it'd be better for him to leave.  He turned out to
be right.






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