I think I get you now, I'm interested in this for two reasons - there has
been a very good documentary series on BBC Four recently called "The History
of Disbelief" which discussed a lot of the issues about religion and
atheism, there's a site about the program at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/atheism.shtml which
features a quiz.

The second reason is that I am a Buddhist, which is an odd religion in many
ways but especially in that there is no belief in a creator. In fact the
existence of one seems to be incompatible with the idea of Dependant
Arising, which is central to the Buddha's teachings. It's a bit of a tough
one to explain quickly, but basically it's that all that we think of as
"things" exist only as the result of other things, and that nothing
inherently exists. That�s as clear as mud reading it back, if you are
interested I'll try to explain it better tomorrow when I haven't been
working for 12 hours.

-----Original Message-----
From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 November 2004 16:29
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Atheism (was: Re: Spam gets religion)

No, it's not that argument at all. Complexity isn't a sign of God. My
mortgage process was complex, and I can say with complete certainty that God
had nothing to do with my re-fi.

Jim Campbell's response was very interesting. I think his implication that
maybe the idea of "creation" can't be known by us at this time is
interesting. I think i'm willing to submit that something outside of my
understanding, and maybe human understanding period, prompted creation as we
understand it. I think i'm willing to refer to this process or being or
event or whatever....as God.

Takes all that religious stuff away...but still leaves me with a belief in a
"God".


> That sounds like the universe is so complex it must have been designed
> argument, there is something on it here:
>
> http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/arguments.html#design
>






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