On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:05:15 -0800 (PST), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Answers inline: > > --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes Universities tend to hire intelliegent people. > > > > George Will did forget a number of things in > > commenting with his > > intellectual and ideological blinders. First off > > many of the people > > who are attracted to academia may not be those > > attracted to business, > > which Will conveniently ignores has more > > conservatives. > > So you're saying Conservatives just don't want to > teach? >
I have no problem with teaching. But not when you're forcing ideology into areas where it doesn't belong, like in the sciences, medicine and engineering. The evidence that there is a push by this administration and other neo-cons to do so is more than ample. But what Horowitz is doing is exactly what was done to suppress dissent elsewhere. Read up on how the Nazi Youth harrased jewish or leftist professors in the 1930's. Horowitz is trying the same thing. > > Secondly, regarding the Horowitz article you > > previously presented. > > Funny you know he did not mention the group he heads > > up harrases those > > professors they happen to disagree with on an > > ideolgical basis. > > Nothing like little neo-cons using the same tactics > > that the prewar > > nazis used in Germany's universities before the > > second world war. > > "You can't get a good education if they're only > telling you half the story," Horowitz said. He > questioned the value of any education that does not > provide the opportunity to test one's ideals against > an opposing viewpoints and arguments. > > Horowitz said he "spent 25 years on the left" and > "knows the feeling of self-righteousness" that many > leftists feel. > > > Third who cares? How the hell does one's political > > stance affect the > > sciences and engineering? Enforcing an ideological > > litmus tests smacks > > of classic Stalinism, with is what George F. Will is > > advocating. I'll > > give you a hint, look up Lysenko, genetics and what > > happened in the > > 1930's to Russia when an ideology requirement > > overtook scientific > > research. Funny isn't enforcing an ideological > > requirement on > > scientific committees what the Shrubbery is doing? > > BTW another very > > respected group, the IAS, this time congressionally > > charted has come > > out warning the administration not to use ideology > > for committee > > membership. > > > > So it's OK for the ole boys club not to hire someone > because of their views but trying to force them to > hire without the litmus test is Stalinism? Where did that come in? I can suggest some professions who do reading comprehension assessment. It may be necessary? To simply spell it out, I was referring to how the Bush administration is using a certain ideology as a litmus test for membership on NIH and similar scientific advisory committees. That is exactly what Lysenko did in Stalinist Russia. > > It all depends on how you look at it. If they are > using a litmus test in the hiring process they're > guilty. But Will isn't saying to hire people because > they're Conservative, he's saying don't exclude them > because they are. > > > Finally I rather enjoyed many of the responses to > > Mr. Will's column > > from yesterday on this topic. > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26820-2004Dec1.html > > The first respondent is talking about hard sciences > and engineering while Will was referring to the > humanities and social sciences. > > The second is talking about a research program to fix > health care. Is he a professor or someone that's > looking to socialize medicine? Of course that program > will be filled with Liberals. > > As for physicians aren't they mostly Conservatives > while the teachers are Liberal? > You really like stereotyping people don't you. Cannot avoid attacking people. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:138608 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
