I haven't read any of the books and I don't particularly like Jim Carry, but I have to admit that the ads for this have made me really want to see it.
-Kevin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139917 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 02:28:08 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 18:28:08 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:28:08 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx31.postini.com ([64.18.0.186] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeOtc-0005q2-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:28:08 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx31.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:30:47 PST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 5E49E7189424A54992D2B87D5120365F Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:32:20 -0500 Subject: Re: lemony From: Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:30:07 -0600 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:86.85204/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.64 I haven't read any of the books and I don't particularly like Jim Carry, but I have to admit that the ads for this have made me really want to see it. -Kevin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139917 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 02:28:14 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 18:28:14 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:28:14 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx88.postini.com ([64.18.0.76] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeOti-0005qM-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:28:14 -0800 Received: from source ([202.92.91.200]) by exprod5mx88.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:30:52 CST Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CFAussie Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [cfaussie] RE: Australian merchant payment gateways? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:52:13 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Owner: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Host: Macromedia Technology Lists <http://www.cfug.org.au/> Reply-To: "CFAussie Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.64 Probably won't be helpful, but here goes: Camtech seem to have nice hooks available for CF developers to use. I think the Xilo camp wrote a CFX tag a while back that talks to the gateway. I've not used it since, as most are now using SOAP to handle transactions. I think I remember hearing QSI was coldfusion friendly, but not used that in a while. You could use LogiCommerce.com, I used to work for them so all code is subject to breaking (lol). Not sure on their service (haven't used them in quite some time) but I know the guys who run It are coldfusion developers. I've heard bad things about Commbank but that could be based on ignorance rather actuals. St George bank seems to get a lot of CF work, but not sure if they have are CFMX friendly. Scott. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Tilbrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 11:23 AM > To: CFAussie Mailing List > Subject: [cfaussie] Australian merchant payment gateways? > > Any recommendations on a CF accessible payment gateway for > major Aussie financial institutions? (St. George in this case). > > TIA! > > Peter Tilbrook > ColdGen Internet Solutions > Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group > 4/73 Tharwa Road > Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 > AUSTRALIA > > WWW 1: http://www.coldgen.com/ > WWW 2: http://www.actcfug.com/ > Telephone: +61-2-6284-2727 > Mobile: +61-0439-401-823 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > All of my external emails are scanned for viruses using the > latest available Norton AV signatures. Also I do NOT maintain > an Address book or Contact list to minimise the risk of > infecting recipients of my messages for viruses. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=loM99IKOD6ClRvQ+mWshUD4QpOEJz23F0tDwNVr55Sx1HTzIISjTW9kMFii9ltewo+W24HGASx8YS15MfNFkvMEiG5qwhc7ITIQBVNHehR/vk/ujkDF1OkrxbJJ15hsTm7foN3Q8TsMKAIFoepB9fBopID7mIpmjF4RwnDI4NJc= ; Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [130.150.116.109] by web52404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:56:43 PST Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:56:43 -0800 (PST) From: musamize ssemakula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Ugnet] Re: Sad term & corruption X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: ugandanet.kym.net List-Unsubscribe: <http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0529205001==" Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.64 --===============0529205001== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-924030634-1103065003=:17529" --0-924030634-1103065003=:17529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matembe to fight 3rd term By Patrick Munyani PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni will not get a third term for the dismissal and failure to recognise my contributions to the government, former ethics minister Miria Matembe has said. �I worked for nearly four years to establish the integrity ministry to fight corruption but all I got was a sacking. How can you sack a competent person? I am going to do my best to deny him the kisanja (third term),� Matembe said. Matembe warned government officials to brace for the rainy moment when they would be thrown out. She advised them to have a place to fall back to when things go bad. She said this at the Human Rights Network-Uganda anniversary celebrations at the Nile Hotel, Kampala on Friday. Matembe said the government was headed for dangerous times as human rights were being violated. Published on: Tuesday, 14th December, 2004 News briefs Huge debt Uganda�s debt burden threatens to become unsustainable in spite of relief under the Highly Indebted Poor Countries initiative. The country�s deficit has also more than doubled. Keith Muhakanizi, the director of economic affairs at the finance ministry, told a Uganda Law Reform Commission business conference on Wednesday that the problem has resulted from donor dependence to finance the fiscal deficit. Corruption goes with govt � Njuba By George Bita CHANGING the Government will reduce corruption, Forum for Democratic Change (FDC) vice-chairman Sam Njuba has said. Njuba said the Movement government had continuously highlighted the evils of corruption but had failed to stop it. He was speaking on the Akwatulira talk-show on NBS FM radio in Jinja town on Saturday. He said when a government stays in power for long, it tends to forget its promises to the people. �Only a new government would give credible promises of fighting corruption,� Njuba said. Published on: Tuesday, 14th December, 2004 Uganda does not need a soldier to lead her to success Fred Kamwada Fred Kamwada The issue of leadership generates a lot of debate these days. With the old parties scanning for whom to take over from their now octogenarian leaders, some of whom have been at the helm of leadership for more than 40 years, the new parties have been running up and down trying to sample their popularity via the electronic and print media. Not a bad debate at all. The only problem is that their choices zero in on candidates with qualities which I find very unpalatable for the future of our country. On November 3, a local newspaper dedicated a whole pull-out to an exhaustive campaign effort for retired maj gen Mugisha muntu. It dwelt on his strong points and there was no problem with that. but what was rather remarkable was their emphasis on his military background. I find it very misleading to spread the myopic perception that only soldiers are capable of smoothly running the affairs of this country. It is also misleading to hype someone�s potential on the mere basis of his being a soldier as if Uganda is a country of militants who cannot be governed by a civilian. We are already progressing well in constitutional reform. For instance one of the columnists wrote that muntu is one of the few soldiers who can look museven in the eye. can you imagine that is being written now when the rule of law and constitutionalism is taking root? to suggest that muntu has the respect of all the soldiers leaves one with the impression that the army leaders and not those of the country are due for elections. But this is not about electing the army commander, which is a constitutional obligation of the commander-in-chief. It is about making a choice for someone to run a political organisation. THis means people must compete for power. Secondly, by recommending Muntu on the basis of his ability �to look museven in the eye� is to suggest that the law of the jungle reigns supreme in Uganda. Is Uganda a country hawking wars so that we need a soldier to keep us militarily supreme in the region? When shall we wipe that war mentality from some people�s minds? At the moment the common denominator of our challenges is poverty. What we need is a leader with a grand design to deal with the fundamental problems of ignorance and illiteracy, disease (especially AIDS ) and poverty. Therefore the knowledge of the gun or military affairs is not goodenough for someone to become a suitable candidate to lead our contry. It is ideas which count. The writer is works with Esbeck, a consultancy firm in Kampala Published on: Tuesday, 14th December, 2004 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. --0-924030634-1103065003=:17529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV> <P class=headline1><STRONG>Matembe to fight 3rd term</STRONG></P> <P>By Patrick Munyani <BR><BR>PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni will not get a third term for the dismissal and failure to recognise my contributions to the government, former ethics minister Miria Matembe has said. <BR><BR>�I worked for nearly four years to establish the integrity ministry to fight corruption but all I got was a sacking. How can you sack a competent person? I am going to do my best to deny him the kisanja (third term),� Matembe said. <BR><BR>Matembe warned government officials to brace for the rainy moment when they would be thrown out. She advised them to have a place to fall back to when things go bad. <BR><BR>She said this at the Human Rights Network-Uganda anniversary celebrations at the Nile Hotel, Kampala on Friday. <BR><BR>Matembe said the government was headed for dangerous times as human rights were being violated.</P> <P>Published on: <B>Tuesday, 14th December, 2004</B></P> <P class=headline1>News briefs</P> <P><B>Huge debt <BR></B>Uganda�s debt burden threatens to become unsustainable in spite of relief under the Highly Indebted Poor Countries initiative. <BR>The country�s deficit has also more than doubled. Keith Muhakanizi, the director of economic affairs at the finance ministry, told a Uganda Law Reform Commission business conference on Wednesday that the problem has resulted from donor dependence to finance the fiscal deficit. <BR></P> <P class=headline1><STRONG>Corruption goes with govt � Njuba</STRONG></P> <P>By George Bita <BR><BR>CHANGING the Government will reduce corruption, Forum for Democratic Change (FDC) vice-chairman Sam Njuba has said. <BR><BR>Njuba said the Movement government had continuously highlighted the evils of corruption but had failed to stop it. He was speaking on the Akwatulira talk-show on NBS FM radio in Jinja town on Saturday. <BR><BR>He said when a government stays in power for long, it tends to forget its promises to the people. <BR>�Only a new government would give credible promises of fighting corruption,� Njuba said.</P> <P>Published on: <B>Tuesday, 14th December, 2004</B></P> <P><STRONG> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width=480 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=headline1><STRONG>Uganda does not need a soldier to lead her to success</STRONG></TD></TR> <TR> <TD> <TABLE width="30%" align=right> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><IMG class=newsPic src="http://www.newvision.co.ug/NP/1102945543kamwada.jpg"; align=right border=1></TD></TR> <TR> <TD> <P class=captionRight>Fred Kamwada</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <P>Fred Kamwada <BR><BR>The issue of leadership generates a lot of debate these days. With the old parties scanning for whom to take over from their now octogenarian leaders, some of whom have been at the helm of leadership for more than 40 years, the new parties have been running up and down trying to sample their popularity via the electronic and print media. <BR><BR>Not a bad debate at all. The only problem is that their choices zero in on candidates with qualities which I find very unpalatable for the future of our country. <BR><BR>On November 3, a local newspaper dedicated a whole pull-out to an exhaustive campaign effort for retired maj gen Mugisha muntu. It dwelt on his strong points and there was no problem with that. but what was rather remarkable was their emphasis on his military background. I find it very misleading to spread the myopic perception that only soldiers are capable of smoothly running the affairs of this country. <BR><BR>It is also misleading to hype someone�s potential on the mere basis of his being a soldier as if Uganda is a country of militants who cannot be governed by a civilian. We are already progressing well in constitutional reform. For instance one of the columnists wrote that muntu is one of the few soldiers who can look museven in the eye. can you imagine that is being written now when the rule of law and constitutionalism is taking root? <BR><BR>to suggest that muntu has the respect of all the soldiers leaves one with the impression that the army leaders and not those of the country are due for elections. But this is not about electing the army commander, which is a constitutional obligation of the commander-in-chief. It is about making a choice for someone to run a political organisation. <BR><BR>THis means people must compete for power. Secondly, by recommending Muntu on the basis of his ability �to look museven in the eye� is to suggest that the law of the jungle reigns supreme in Uganda. Is Uganda a cou ntry hawking wars so that we need a soldier to keep us militarily supreme in the region? When shall we wipe that war mentality from some people�s minds? At the moment the common denominator of our challenges is poverty. <BR><BR>What we need is a leader with a grand design to deal with the fundamental problems of ignorance and illiteracy, disease (especially AIDS ) and poverty. <BR><BR>Therefore the knowledge of the gun or military affairs is not goodenough for someone to become a suitable candidate to lead our contry. It is ideas which count. <BR><BR><I>The writer is works with Esbeck, a consultancy firm in Kampala</I></P> <P>Published on: <B>Tuesday, 14th December, 2004</B></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></STRONG></P></DIV> <P> </P> <P><STRONG></STRONG> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p> <hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29909/*http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com";>Learn more.</a> --0-924030634-1103065003=:17529-- --===============0529205001== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ --===============0529205001==-- From jeff Wed Dec 15 02:28:40 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 18:28:40 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:28:40 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx126.postini.com ([64.18.0.40] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeOu8-0005qc-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:28:40 -0800 Received: from source ([207.173.176.202]) by exprod5mx126.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:31:21 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=list.valvesoftware.com) by list.valvesoftware.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeOe9-00037q-00; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:12:09 -0800 Received: from [64.233.184.192] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by list.valvesoftware.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeObX-00033Q-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:09:28 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so539wri for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:21:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IXfTGL6Zt85GicyBnZlEEFPDnPbuOAbKNbtGcSRiFYCbZICbL0U5Ytoyf1XyoGXD6fzT5vSs/eaxQNGhx9XPov6zY6mgA+oi4FW4g6taUPnKTGL8fW9/SWbDIJ90mdlSfVyS7QSTVwnw7szQXcmHsH5sk7Vxo/GwIb1gq3kqZRc= Received: by 10.54.40.65 with SMTP id n65mr127975wrn; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.15.49 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:21:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: ChessMess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Netcode and Vehicles In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Reply-To: ChessMess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Discussion of Half-Life Programming <hlcoders.list.valvesoftware.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/private/hlcoders/> X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:21:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:21:47 -0500 X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 We never had our own server to fully test with... we have had to fight and scratch for every single bit we were able to do, from coding to modeling to testing etc.... I've seen games with as high as 28 players in them at the mod's highpoint. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:44:19 -0600, Jeffrey botman Broome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ChessMess wrote: > > I find this incredibly troubling considering that a main focal point > > of our mod is vehicular in nature (Hydroplane Racing). Can someone > > from Valve comment on this situation and what if any steps they are > > taking to help address this problem? > > Just out of curiosity, how many clients does HydroRacers support on the > BF1942 engine? > > -- > Jeffrey "botman" Broome > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- ChessMess Stratactic Studios http://www.StratacticStudios.com _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders From jeff Wed Dec 15 02:28:45 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 18:28:45 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:28:45 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx54.postini.com ([64.18.0.233] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeOuD-0005ql-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:28:45 -0800 Received: from source ([138.25.7.4]) by exprod5mx54.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:31:23 PST Received: from maddog.slug.org.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maddog.slug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4680910A88F; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:28:52 +1100 (EST) X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mail.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by maddog.slug.org.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30A710A887 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:28:42 +1100 (EST) Received: from mother (203-219-208-190-sa.tpgi.com.au [203.219.208.190]) by mail.tpgi.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF2UaSA010235; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:30:50 +1100 From: "Alan Millsted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [SLUG] RE: Netcomm np1400 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:00:28 +0930 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Linux and Free Software Discussion <slug.slug.org.au> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 What's the difference between "pppoa and pppoe"< I hve been trying to set it up as per ahow to from "Lnux.Questions.org" That says "no IP on the NIC that the system is using to get to ISP just a valid HWADDA." Your are right about doing your head in! Alan -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 11:38 AM To: Alan Millsted Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: Netcomm np1400 if you just have the modem and one pc on the same network 192.168.1.0/24 and using pppoa or pppoe on the modem then yes, if your doing it with 2 lan cards in one box, then something like this modem 192.168.1.1 gateway eth0 192.168.1.254 gateway eth1 192.168.0.254 hub other pcs in your lan 192.168.0.x these pcs use eth1 as default route gateway pc uses the modem as the default route and the firewall will need to be adjusted to suit. you should be able to see the modem with a browser from the pc's on your lan. Alan Millsted wrote: > > I need a bit of time to get my head round all that, but this isn't the > origial modem from TPG. I havent tried to set that one up on thia > Linux box because that is my only link to the real world. Are you > saying I should set the gateway on my system as the IP of the modem > "192.168.1.1" Thanks and any info helps > > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 10:33 AM > To: Alan Millsted > Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: Netcomm np1400 > > Mate, these things can do your head in, tgp like most dsl providers > should be using helstras network for the connection??? it will support > most modes of connection, so set the modem up like it was originally > sent to you, connect to it with a pc on the same network as the modem > using it as the gateway and ns then by driving the modem with a > browser, see if you can get the connection happening, if so then the > providers part is working fine. you could prolly even get away with > using your modem like this with 2 lan cards in the gateway linux box, > one on each network and route all the traffic out the lan card > connected to the modem, on the gateway box, route all internal > traffic, to that lan card on the gateway box. > > or then frig with the modem to try and get it to do bridging mode till > it works, the pado timeout errors, or whatever, are usually to do with > authentication problems at the other end, and go away after an hour or > so???? > > i haven't really been following this thread, so this could all be > bullshit, if so sorry for wasting your time. > > Alan Millsted wrote: > > > > This is the way I feel it should be (not that I realy know anything > > about it) but logic seems to point that way, so I am thinking that > > it is > > -- > Greg > > -[ Registered Linux User#159346 * http://baratel.com/~greg/ ]- > > This Email may contain privileged information and remains the > property of the author. 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Theirs, or yours?" --Tim O'Reilly -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html From jeff Wed Dec 15 02:33:49 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 18:33:49 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:33:49 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.0.33] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeOz6-0005rB-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:33:49 -0800 Received: from source ([66.98.138.60]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:36:28 PST Received: from secure1.company-hosting.net ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by fesim.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF2UUJS007704 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:30:30 -0700 X-ClientAddr: 216.40.250.211 Received: from mail2.zoneedit.com (mail2.zoneedit.com [216.40.250.211]) by secure1.company-hosting.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF2UO3f007693 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:30:24 -0700 Received: from lists.iparenting.com (lists.iparenting.com [38.118.204.150]) by mail2.zoneedit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D9CC349527 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:34:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "ml obermaier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bfing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [bfing] Re: nursing to sleep Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:46:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011A_01C4E21E.0E6A4BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "bfing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-DBHostingEnsim4.1-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DBHostingEnsim4.1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.64 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011A_01C4E21E.0E6A4BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable one of my sons stopped nursing young, at 17 months, and everything we = tried did not work until we did sensory exercises, which is why I = suggested them. The rest nurse over two years, I nursed them to sleep, = they easily fell asleep while I would tell them a bedtime story with the = lights dimmed. The reason I suggested sensory exercises is the comment = strong willed, they help calm children to prevent labeling by others, = which is what I felt the dr. had done. Strong willed, imho anyways, = usually indicates a very brilliant child, whos brain is much more = advance than their communication skills. ml ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ml obermaier=20 To: bfing=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: [bfing] Re: nursing to sleep If a child is that upset she probably has something wrong, sensory = problems often cause sleep problems, too bad the doctor wanted you to = wait it out, I think doing sensory exercise help a lot. ml ----- Original Message -----=20 From: T Eli=20 To: bfing=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: [bfing] Re: nursing to sleep Thanks for the input, Renee, and welcome to the group. You were = indeed lucky, and still are truly blessed. We actually did try that = with Faith after coming upon the same problem. She cried so hard she = threw up. It was horrible. I talked to the doctor, and he said that's = ok, it's not harming her, just stick with the plan and eventually she'll = come around. He was surprised she was such a strong-willed child, and = told us that kind of behavior doesn't usually show up until around 18-24 = months. That didn't sit too well with me, but we tried one more night, = and that was all we could bear. Listening to her scream on the monitor = and start choking, then running in the room to find her and the crib all = full of puke was so horrible, and not worth it. I still wouldn't trade = this for that, as miserable as this can be sometimes. Renee A Crabtree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:=20 Hi, I'm pretty new to this list and this is my first time = responding. I, too, am still nursing my almost 8 month old son. He went = through a terrible sleep pattern where I would rock him to sleep and the = second I bent into a 45 degree angle to put him in his crib, he startled = away and would scream his head off. I think a few things led him to this separation anxiety...1) When he wakes up around 5:00 am I bring = him to bed with me to nurse and then to go to sleep together. 2) We would = rock him to sleep every night. There was nothing we could do to get him = to not wake up and cry when placed in his crib. I know there aren't = too many fans of the cry-it-out method but since I knew he was not = hungry, sick, or had a dirty diaper, I had to do something to get to = sleep. We started a bedtime routine...Change into pj's, feed, read 2 books, = rock for 100 rocks and then put in his crib. What we did was let him = cry for 5 minutes and then check on him. We'd tell him it's okay, we love = him and to go to sleep. Then we'd wait another 10 minutes and go back = in. Then wait 15 minutes. The longest he ever cried was 30 minutes = total. Now, we put him in his crib and he's out in 30 seconds. And he = doesn't wake up until 5 or 6 am. It's bliss. I'm sure we were just lucky = but I thought I'd share in case it could help.=20 On a side note, if your baby is older he physically should be able = to sleep through the night (meaning 5 or 6) without getting hungry. = But every baby's different, right? Renee=20 -----Original Message----- From: Tami Spillman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:49 AM To: bfing Subject: [bfing] Re: nursing to sleep ugg.... so you can't even try to adjust your schedule to theirs... eekkk. My Mom says that Terri and I were like a dual alarm clock! We were almost always wanting the SAME thing at the SAME time. They left us together for most of elementary school... we were trouble if spareated. Middle school was the first "alone time" we had. I remember being excited and scared at the same time. Terri said that she was scared to death for the first 2 months everyday.. until we would have a class together. By eightth grade... we were switching classes.... LOL. But that first semester of 6th we didn't see each other until it was time to leave.... we DID NOT like it! Tami --- ml obermaier wrote: > makes you all feel better Anabelle won't go to sleep > until about 10:30 and > wakes once right after, and Briana goes at 8:30 > wakes up at 5:30. They have > been on different schedules since they were born. > ml >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tami Spillman"=20 > To: "bfing"=20 > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 3:36 PM > Subject: [bfing] Re: nursing to sleep >=20 >=20 > > Brennen seems to be going thru that too. He will > NOT > > sleep now until 1am. No matter what I do. I had > both > > the younger two going to bed at 7:30. It was soo > > nice. Now even if I get him to go down then he is > > back up at 9pm and will NOT go back down until > 1am. > > And he gets tricky with the nursing thing. You > see, > > he has figured out that if he nurses, he will fall > to > > sleep and he does NOT want that. It is espesially > > hard with DH having to get up at 3:30am for work. > He > > has spent the last two nights on the couch :-( > > Brennen will not settle for anyone else holding > him > > either. I hope this all changes soon... I am soo > > sleepy. > > Sorry I am not much help.... But I too have a VERY > > messed up house, am wanting a hot bath too. :-( > > Tami > > > > --- T Eli wrote: > > > > > Hi, everyone, I need help. I nurse Faith to > sleep > > > for naps and at bedtime. We've had a lot of > > > problems with her and sleep for quite some time, > and > > > it goes in spurts, but lately it's really > wearing on > > > me more and more. She goes down pretty good for > > > naps most of the time. At night, sometimes it's > a > > > long, drawn-out battle (often well over an > hour), > > > other times she's asleep and I'm out of the room > > > within a half hour (I LOVE those nights!!!). We > > > usually try to get her in bed by 8:00, because > that > > > seems to work best for everyone. We have played > > > around with the time a bit to try and make > things > > > better, but this time seems to work best. The > > > problem is, once I do get her to sleep, she > still > > > wakes up a lot. I know that's normal, > especially > > > since I'm still nursing her and co-sleeping. > But > > > she wakes up at least twice before I even get to > > > bed, which I try to usually by 10:00, 11 at the > > > latest. It is getting so frustrating because > she > > > doesn't nap well (usually one half-hour nap a > day, > > > though lately she has been occasionally > sleeping a > > > bit more), so I don't really get a "break" > during > > > the day to get things done. I scramble at night > > > after she goes to bed to rush and get the dishes > > > done, laundry caught up, house cleaned, etc. My > > > hubby is a great help with these things, but I > feel > > > bad because he works long hours and then does so > > > much housework. And we still can't seem to keep > up. > > > I've relaxed a lot on the cleaning, but there's > a > > > point where you have to draw the line - I mean, > > > laundry and dishes can only wait so long! DH > and I > > > hardly ever get time to just sit and spend time > > > together, and I NEVER get "me" time. I can't > even > > > relax in a hot bath - every time I try, as soon > as I > > > get the tub filled and get in the tub, Faith > wakes > > > up. We've tried having him rock her to sleep, > but > > > she just keeps screaming until I go in and nurse > > > her, even if I don't go in there for over an > hour. > > > I don't know what to do!!!! I don't want to > wean > > > her until she's ready, but that seems > > > like the only "solution". Does anyone have any > > > ideas to help???? > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > All your favorites on one personal page - Try > My > > > Yahoo! > > > > > > --- > > > You are currently subscribed to bfing as: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > > %%email.unsub%% > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to bfing as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > %%email.unsub%% >=20 >=20 > --- > You are currently subscribed to bfing as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > %%email.unsub%% >=20 __________________________________=20 Do you Yahoo!?=20 Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! --- You are currently = subscribed to bfing as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank = email to %%email.unsub%% --- You are currently subscribed to bfing as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to = %%email.unsub%%=20 --- You are currently subscribed to bfing as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------=_NextPart_000_011A_01C4E21E.0E6A4BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2737.800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>one of my sons stopped nursing young, = at 17 months,=20 and everything we tried did not work until we did sensory exercises, = which is=20 why I suggested them. The rest nurse over two years, I nursed them = to=20 sleep, they easily fell asleep while I would tell them a bedtime story = with the=20 lights dimmed. The reason I suggested sensory exercises is the = comment=20 strong willed, they help calm children to prevent labeling by others, = which is=20 what I felt the dr. had done. Strong willed, imho anyways, usually = indicates a very brilliant child, whos brain is much more advance than = their=20 communication skills. ml</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">ml = obermaier</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">bfing</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 14, = 2004 6:53=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [bfing] Re: nursing to = sleep</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If a child is that upset she probably = has=20 something wrong, sensory problems often cause sleep problems, too bad = the=20 doctor wanted you to wait it out, I think doing sensory exercise help = a=20 lot. ml</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A [EMAIL PROTECTED] = href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">T Eli</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">bfing</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 14, = 2004 1:50=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [bfing] Re: nursing = to=20 sleep</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the input, Renee, and welcome to the group. = You were=20 indeed lucky, and still are truly blessed. We actually did try = that=20 with Faith after coming upon the same problem. She cried so = hard she=20 threw up. It was horrible. I talked to the doctor, and = he said=20 that's ok, it's not harming her, just stick with the plan and = eventually=20 she'll come around. He was surprised she was such a = strong-willed=20 child, and told us that kind of behavior doesn't usually show up = until=20 around 18-24 months. That didn't sit too well with me, but we = tried=20 one more night, and that was all we could bear. Listening to = her=20 scream on the monitor and start choking, then running in the room to = find=20 her and the crib all full of puke was so horrible, and not worth = it. I=20 still wouldn't trade this for that, as miserable as this can be=20 sometimes.<BR><BR><B><I>Renee A Crabtree=20 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></I></B> wrote:=20 <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff = 2px solid">Hi,=20 I'm pretty new to this list and this is my first time = responding.<BR>I,=20 too, am still nursing my almost 8 month old son. He went through=20 a<BR>terrible sleep pattern where I would rock him to sleep and = the second=20 I<BR>bent into a 45 degree angle to put him in his crib, he = startled away=20 and<BR>would scream his head off. I think a few things led him to=20 this<BR>separation anxiety...1) When he wakes up around 5:00 am I = bring=20 him to<BR>bed with me to nurse and then to go to sleep together. = 2) We=20 would rock<BR>him to sleep every night. There was nothing we could = do to=20 get him to<BR>not wake up and cry when placed in his crib. I know = there=20 aren't too<BR>many fans of the cry-it-out method but since I knew = he was=20 not hungry,<BR>sick, or had a dirty diaper, I had to do something = to get=20 to sleep. We<BR>started a bedtime routine...Change into pj's, = feed, read 2=20 books, rock<BR>for 100 rocks and then put in his crib. What we did = was let=20 him cry for<BR>5 minutes and then check on him. We'd tell him it's = okay,=20 we love him<BR>and to go to sleep. Then we'd wait another 10 = minutes and=20 go back in.<BR>Then wait 15 minutes. The longest he ever cried was = 30=20 minutes total.<BR>Now, we put him in his crib and he's out in 30 = seconds.=20 And he doesn't<BR>wake up until 5 or 6 am. It's bliss. I'm sure we = were=20 just lucky but I<BR>thought I'd share in case it could help. = <BR><BR>On a=20 side note, if your baby is older he physically should be able = to<BR>sleep=20 through the night (meaning 5 or 6) without getting hungry. = But<BR>every=20 baby's different, right?<BR><BR>Renee <BR><BR>-----Original=20 Message-----<BR>From: Tami Spillman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = <BR>Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:49 AM<BR>To: = bfing<BR>Subject:=20 [bfing] Re: nursing to sleep<BR><BR><BR>ugg.... so you can't even = try to=20 adjust your schedule<BR>to theirs... eekkk. My Mom says that Terri = and I=20 were<BR>like a dual alarm clock! We were almost always<BR>wanting = the SAME=20 thing at the SAME time. They left us<BR>together for most of = elementary=20 school... we were<BR>trouble if spareated. Middle school was the=20 first<BR>"alone time" we had. I remember being excited = and<BR>scared at=20 the same time. Terri said that she was<BR>scared to death for the = first 2=20 months everyday..<BR>until we would have a class together. By=20 eightth<BR>grade... we were switching classes.... LOL. But = that<BR>first=20 semester of 6th we didn't see each other until<BR>it was time to = leave....=20 we DID NOT like it!<BR>Tami<BR>--- ml obermaier=20 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:<BR><BR>> makes you all feel better = Anabelle=20 won't go to sleep<BR>> until about 10:30 and<BR>> wakes once = right=20 after, and Briana goes at 8:30<BR>> wakes up at 5:30. They = have<BR>>=20 been on different schedules since they were born.<BR>> = ml<BR>>=20 <BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Tami = Spillman"=20 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><BR>> To: "bfing"=20 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><BR>> Sent: Friday, December 10, = 2004 3:36=20 PM<BR>> Subject: [bfing] Re: nursing to sleep<BR>> <BR>> = <BR>>=20 > Brennen seems to be going thru that too. He will<BR>> = NOT<BR>>=20 > sleep now until 1am. No matter what I do. I had<BR>> = both<BR>>=20 > the younger two going to bed at 7:30. It was soo<BR>> > = nice.=20 Now even if I get him to go down then he is<BR>> > back up = at 9pm=20 and will NOT go back down until<BR>> 1am.<BR>> > And he = gets=20 tricky with the nursing thing. You<BR>> see,<BR>> > he = has=20 figured out that if he nurses, he will fall<BR>> to<BR>> = > sleep=20 and he does NOT want that. It is espesially<BR>> > hard with = DH=20 having to get up at 3:30am for work.<BR>> He<BR>> > has = spent the=20 last two nights on the couch :-(<BR>> > Brennen will not = settle for=20 anyone else holding<BR>> him<BR>> > either. I hope this = all=20 changes soon... I am soo<BR>> > sleepy.<BR>> > Sorry I = am not=20 much help.... But I too have a VERY<BR>> > messed up house, = am=20 wanting a hot bath too. :-(<BR>> > Tami<BR>> ><BR>> = >=20 --- T Eli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > = > Hi,=20 everyone, I need help. I nurse Faith to<BR>> sleep<BR>> > = >=20 for naps and at bedtime. We've had a lot of<BR>> > > = problems=20 with her and sleep for quite some time,<BR>> and<BR>> > = > it=20 goes in spurts, but lately it's really<BR>> wearing on<BR>> = >=20 > me more and more. She goes down pretty good for<BR>> > = >=20 naps most of the time. At night, sometimes it's<BR>> a<BR>> = >=20 > long, drawn-out battle (often well over an<BR>> = hour),<BR>>=20 > > other times she's asleep and I'm out of the room<BR>> = >=20 > within a half hour (I LOVE those nights!!!). We<BR>> > = >=20 usually try to get her in bed by 8:00, because<BR>> = that<BR>> >=20 > seems to work best for everyone. We have played<BR>> > = >=20 around with the time a bit to try and make<BR>> things<BR>> = >=20 > better, but this time seems to work best. The<BR>> > = >=20 problem is, once I do get her to sleep, she<BR>> still<BR>> = >=20 > wakes up a lot. I know that's normal,<BR>> = especially<BR>> >=20 > since I'm still nursing her and co-sleeping.<BR>> = But<BR>> >=20 > she wakes up at least twice before I even get to<BR>> > = >=20 bed, which I try to usually by 10:00, 11 at the<BR>> > > = latest.=20 It is getting so frustrating because<BR>> she<BR>> > > = doesn't=20 nap well (usually one half-hour nap a<BR>> day,<BR>> > = >=20 though lately she has been occasionally<BR>> sleeping a<BR>> = >=20 > bit more), so I don't really get a "break"<BR>> = during<BR>>=20 > > the day to get things done. I scramble at night<BR>> = >=20 > after she goes to bed to rush and get the dishes<BR>> > = >=20 done, laundry caught up, house cleaned, etc. My<BR>> > > = hubby is=20 a great help with these things, but I<BR>> feel<BR>> > = > bad=20 because he works long hours and then does so<BR>> > > = much=20 housework. And we still can't seem to keep<BR>> up.<BR>> = > >=20 I've relaxed a lot on the cleaning, but there's<BR>> a<BR>> = >=20 > point where you have to draw the line - I mean,<BR>> > = >=20 laundry and dishes can only wait so long! DH<BR>> and I<BR>> = >=20 > hardly ever get time to just sit and spend time<BR>> > = >=20 together, and I NEVER get "me" time. I can't<BR>> even<BR>> = >=20 > relax in a hot bath - every time I try, as soon<BR>> as = I<BR>>=20 > > get the tub filled and get in the tub, Faith<BR>>=20 wakes<BR>> > > up. We've tried having him rock her to=20 sleep,<BR>> but<BR>> > > she just keeps screaming = until I go=20 in and nurse<BR>> > > her, even if I don't go in there = for over=20 an<BR>> hour.<BR>> > > I don't know what to do!!!! I = don't=20 want to<BR>> wean<BR>> > > her until she's ready, but = that=20 seems<BR>> > > like the only "solution". 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