On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:14:19 -0400, Angel Stewart
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quite simply, my point is this:
> 
> FACT: George Bush's central reason for going to war in Iraq was that Iraq had 
> large stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction which
> were a clear and present danger to the United States, and indeed to the world.

Iraq had the weapons according to the UN. Saddam agreed to destroy
them to end the war but then reneged. According to Hans Blix the
weapons Saddam was known to have were still missing and Saddam was
still refusing to cooperate. This was a little over a month before the
war and 12 years after he agreed to disarm.

He had weapons, he used the weapons, and he refused to show he
destroyed the weapons.

Analogy: a known terrorist is spotted with a backpack in a crowded
market in Israel. When he realizes he's recognized he yells they're
only books and runs. Chances are he'll be shot.


> FACT: Countries around the world, UN Weapons Inspectors, several Analysts, 
> And members of various US Administrations stated that
> Iraq might not have WMD,and is probably not as immediate a threat as the US 
> is making it out to be.That more time should be taken
> investigating the Evidence and allowing the UN Weapons Inspectors to make a 
> better determination of what really existed on the
> ground in Iraq.

Most countries believed and told us he had weapons. I know North Korea
funded protests around the world against the war, but I know of no
other countries that had doubts. As for weapons inspectors, Hans Blix
changed his tune a week before the war. Before that he seemed to think
they were there.


> FACT: George Bush now says that as the evidence stands, Pre-War Iraq did NOT 
> have WMD and that the Intelligence process appears to
> have been flawed and America must now determine what went wrong with the 
> Intelligence gathering.

He actually said:
"I felt like we'd find weapons of mass destruction — like many here in
the United States, many around the world. The United Nations thought
he had weapons of mass destruction," Bush told Walters. "So,
therefore: one, we need to find out what went wrong in the
intelligence gathering. … Saddam was dangerous and the world is safer
without him in power."

> 
> CONCLUSION: America went to war in Iraq based on flawed Intelligence. George 
> Bush erroneously took the United States into war, his
> central reason for going to war with Iraq was false.

> How about responding to that.

One more thing:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/129kwktg.asp

Duelfer, the U.N., and the New York Times 

The New York Times editorial board weighed in today. The Times notes
that what the "Iraqi invasion has actually proved is that the weapons
inspection worked, that international sanctions--deeply, deeply messy
as they turned out to be--worked, and that in the case of Saddam
Hussein, the United Nations worked."

One wonders if anyone at the Times bothered to read the hundreds of
pages in the Duelfer report, let alone all the UNSCOM and UNOMIC
reports to the U.N. Security Council going back over a decade. The job
of the inspections regime was to verify, based on the active
cooperation of Iraqi officials, that Iraq had destroyed its weapons
and was actively complying with multiple U.N. disarmament resolutions.
Saddam Hussein's regime did no such thing, as Hans Blix stated to the
Security Council on January 27, 2003:


Resolution 687 (1991), like the subsequent resolutions I shall refer
to, required cooperation by Iraq but such was often withheld or given
grudgingly. Unlike South Africa, which decided on its own to eliminate
its nuclear weapons and welcomed inspection as a means of creating
confidence in its disarmament, Iraq appears not to have come to a
genuine acceptance--not even today--of the disarmament, which was
demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence
of the world
and to live in peace.

President Clinton's Defense Secretary William Cohen made Blix's point
five years earlier: "Hussein has said, 'we have no program now.' We're
saying, 'prove it.' He says he has destroyed all his nerve agent.
[W]e're asking 'where, when and how?'" Cohen added: "The onus for this
is firmly on Saddam Hussein".

The uncontested fact is that there were unaccounted for weapons and
bulk agent the day Operation Iraqi Freedom began on March 19, 2003.
According to UNMOVIC's May 30, 2003 report, " . . . the long list of
proscribed items unaccounted for and as such resulting in unresolved
disarmament issues was not shortened either by the inspections or by
Iraqi declarations and documentation."

Finally, on the question of sanctions, the September 2004 Duelfer
report concluded that "as UN sanctions eroded there was a concomitant
expansion of activities that could support full WMD reactivation." In
addition, "the steps the Regime took to erode sanctions are obvious in
the analysis of how revenues, particularly those derived from the
Oil-for-Food program, were used. Over time, sanctions had steadily
weakened to the point where Iraq, in 2000-2001, was confidently
designing missiles around components that could only be obtained
outside sanctions . . . . ISG's investigation also makes quite clear
how Baghdad exploited the mechanism for executing the Oil-for-Food
program to give individuals and countries an economic stake in ending
sanctions." The New York Times may choose to believe "the United
Nations worked." It didn't.

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