> -----Original Message----- > From: Robyn F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:49 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: this has to be a fake... > > You said: > >Domestication is the same thing as slavery (so their literature goes) and > >even a well-kept slave is still a slave and the keeping of it is an act > of > >cruelty. > > Perhaps they frown on domestication, but based on the above, keeping a > domesticated animal is not an act of cruelty...
I misworded that, sorry. The keeping of the animal is an act of responsibility. The act of domestication is an act of cruelty. I mixed the two up. However the responsibility of keeping the animal is a sad one predicated on the cruel act of domestication. > >Of course PETA headquarters euthanizes most of the animals they receive > as > >strays (although they don't promote this fact) so perhaps you might read > >into that a method of dealing with the issue. > > Hmmm... Reference? As far as I know it was "Bullshit" that first discovered this. The site for the episode is here: http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=peta They dug up documentation concerning a meat freezer (used for storing the corpses) and killing rooms (which need to be legally reported). Peta has been able to look other records but at least in 1999 (the only year in which real numbers have been released) PETA euthanized 1,325 of the 2,103 animals it took in. They did this, by the way, in the same year they staged massive protests against the LA coalition of Animal Shelters. These protests included personal attacks and threats on the administrator in charge of these shelters including making public his address and the school his children attended. > Anyway, I support most of what PETA does and stands for, though there are > things I don't entirely agree with. That said, I like that there is a > group out there (yes, a controversial one, but a vocal one as well) that > speaks out against cruelty to animals. The majority of their energy is > not focused on people like us that own cats and dogs in our homes, but is > focused on large corporations and farms that abuse animals on a large > scale. They are also advocates of vegetarianism/veganism and building an > awareness of animal-friendly behaviors/purchases/brands/etc. Actually most of their attention (if you can correlate attention on spending) is focused on themselves. Their tax figures show that very little of the money they take in reaches actual animal support organizations. Most of the money is spent in self-aggrandizement. http://www.peoplekillinganimals.com/antipeta.htm > Very *little* energy is spent making their members go out and throw red > paint on fur coats, but these kinds of things are what gives PETA a bad > name. I do not agree with this kind of fanatasism, but these are the They also make enormous donations to the defense funds of know extremists and terrorists. PETA has supported those who firebomb laboratories, murdered researchers and destroyed lives (both animal and human). Also they promote such actions directly and do not denounce them. For example: "If we really believe that animals have the same right to be free from pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course we're going to be, as a movement, blowing things up and smashing windows . I think it's a great way to bring about animal liberation . I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories, and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow. I think it's perfectly appropriate for people to take bricks and toss them through the windows ... Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it." This was said by Bruce Friedrich of PETA during the "Animal Rights 2001" conference > kinds of things that make the news. In my opinion, these tactics turn > more people off. If you ever read their website or their newsletters, > though, you'll see that the majority of their campaigns are very well > thought out and non-violent/non-offensive. They urge celebrities to > promote vegetarianism, wage campaigns against companies (yes, even dog > food companies) that treat animals cruelly, and offer factual material > about what you can do to help. They offer a lot of information about > what's going on in the world today and encourage consumers to speak out > with their wallets. PETA has two very distinct faces: one they show to the civilized world in an effort to gain support and donations. Another however is shown when you dig deep: one that supports extremism, fanaticism and hate. > Honestly, I think most people bash PETA before they know much about them. > If people looked for a second beyond the stuff that gets all the negative > media attention, they'd see that it's not all that I can agree whole heartedly here: most people make snap (and generally false) judgments on nearly all topics at hand. However with PETA digging deeper only finds more of the same. http://consumerfreedom.com/issuepage.cfm/topic/8 http://www.e-paranoids.com/p/pe/people_for_the_ethical_treatment_of_animals. html http://www.animalrights.net/ http://www.netcat.org/trojan.html My biggest problem with PETA is that I feel their not honest with the vast majority of their supporters. They create a very concerned, caring public face and use that to cover much darker initiatives and goals. In my experience most people SUPPORT PETA before they know much about them. In my opinion there are many much more deserving, much more honest organizations out there. Please don't construe this as a personal attack of any kind. I fully support your personal reasons for supporting PETA. However I still don't think that PETA fully supports those reasons. At the very least, they also (as quietly as possible) support many things that you yourself may not support and may, in fact, be horrified by. 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