gel.

whats it like in trinidad?

is there racism?

how do you deal with it?

tony


On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:50:39 -0500, Nick McClure
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The people that benefit from AA don't stick around in their communities long
> enough to make a difference, they get out the first chance they get.
> 
> I don't need to investigate, I can tell you why it isn't happening. When
> politicians and business leaders put a fix in place, they assume it's fixed,
> they are worried about their own image, not the underlying problem. But we
> have AA so everything will work itself out.
> 
> But that ain't going to really happen, sure the numbers are going up, but
> those stats don't address the real problem, like how many minorities should
> be in the workforce but are serving jail terms for crack possession while
> white kids get probation. How many minorities are making a living off gang
> banging, or welfare. I bet your look up the numbers of white gang members
> compared to minority gang members you'll find the numbers even more out of
> sync with the average population.
> 
> AA is like a wheelchair, sure, it can help you get around, but for somebody
> who should otherwise be capable of walking, relying on the wheelchair keeps
> them from working out the real problem. Take a way the wheelchair and force
> them to deal with the real problem, and you would be amazed at what people
> can overcome.
> 
> AA does nothing but make things look fixed, it is just as broken as it ever
> was.
> 
> My lofty goal of education and changing things is what this country is built
> on. Our founding fathers felt strongly about a good education system. AA may
> help to get somebody a job, but it sure doesn't help them keep it, if they
> don't have the knowledge or experience to do it, then what happens?
> 
> If you think my solution is wrong, fine, say it, if you think it is
> unattainable, fine; say that. But so far you haven't offered a solution that
> can fix the real problem. But don't patronize my idea.
> 
> Until you change the hearts and minds of the people, nothing will truly
> change. I don't care what your numbers say, they don't actually say anything
> about racism in the individual, and so long as individuals stay racist,
> institutions will stay racist.
> 
> AA doesn't ensure that the minority is going to be making the same amount of
> money, it doesn't ensure that the minority is going to have the same
> expectations, it doesn't ensure anything; accept a place at the front of the
> line.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 2:09 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Who Doesn't Discriminate? (WAS: playing the race card)
> > 
> > I agree the system is stacked against minorities from the beginning.
> >
> > And this was what AA sought to address, to try to afford them the same
> > oppurtunities despite the fact that they are discriminated
> > against, and the deck is 'stacked' against them so to speak.
> >
> > Your goal for education in schools etc. is noble and ideal. And it was
> > supposed to be happening in Parallel with AA. Perhaps you can
> > investigate and let us know why it was *not* happening.
> >
> > But in the short term, when AA is removed minorities suffer and cannot
> > earn enough wealth or positions of authority to make a
> > difference to the other members of their communities. Which means that in
> > the short term these minorities are going to suffer
> > inordinately whilst your lofty goal of education and changing things 'from
> > the inside out' takes place.Which is unacceptable.
> >
> > -Gel
> 
> 
> 

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