On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 05:14:54 -0400, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But that is an intrinsic limitation of ADSL. It gets a bit better with ADSL2+ > (or a lot worse with VDSL), but there is little we can do about the physics.
Which part of the circut is ATM? I know that in Australia, you can train to PPPoA (for bridged connections) or PPPoE for a routed connection. Depending on the provider and what type of sessions they will terminate. If, as an ISP, you purchase a Layer 2 & 3 service from Telstra to terminate your sessions in each state on, you can choose ATM or Ethernet termination (ethernet was only just introduced because everyone was screaming about how expensive ATM was). > That is quite expensive. Transit goes for about 20-30 euro / Mbps in > Amsterdam, with prices below 10K euro for a full Gbps. > Obviously this is related to the massive size of the internet and carrier > market in the Netherlands. Amsterdam was the first place connected to > Internet outside the US and has been the largest European mainland exchange > ever since. Unfortunately only non-commercial networks show detailed maps, > but to illustrate the point: > http://www.glif.is/images/GLIF-Atlantic-LowRez-07July2004.jpg Wow, Netherlands is very well connected. :) From memory, Australia only has 4 international links, the main one being Southern Cross which has dual redundancy. Domestic peering has only just really come of age with PIPE networks creating a national peering initative backed by thier copious amounts of dark fibre they sell. 100mb for $1000 per month. The major 4 ISP's have thier own (regulator enforced) peering arrangements and will not let anyone into thier inner circle. So even domestic data is expensive. > So what happened to that ISP? It was held 100% by one guy, then they merged the ISP, a IT services company, a Utilities company and Web design company. They new 4 owners got into a big dispute, and the whole thing ended up being put into administration. > A friend of mine used to own an ISP / telco in the Netherlands. He started > offering 8 Mbps ADSL back in 1999 using his own DSLAMs in 2 COs and he > actually beat the incumbent to the market. And when the incumbent came with > DSL in 2000, its best offering was only 1 Mbps. Unfortunately his company > went under due to a massive fraud on the phone business (shared loop > unbundling was not an option then, so he had to offer phone services too), > but at that time the mere rumour he was going to open up more COs convinced a > competitor they needed to offer 8 Mbps too, and after that the rest followed. > I still believe that his company is the ultimate reason 8 Mbps is the norm, > rather then the exception in the Netherlands. Sometimes you just need a > little of that "because we can" attitude :-) Wow, that's a great story how one person can influence the big telcos and take them on. > Currently the DSL market in the Netherlands is moving fast. 2 CLECs reach 70% > of all households each, 2 other ones will do so in 3 months and the ILEC is > in every CO. Add to that that > 90% of the households have cable and cable > companies are offering 8 or 10 Mbps and you have a recipe for agressive > competition. And a very wired, intelligent country. :) Regards, Jon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:146206 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
