hehe, I'm just "Mr. Fun" haha :)

 I totally agree with what you say. One of my emails to the webmaster said that 
if it was my company he'd be fired. Not tryin to be mean to the guy but his 
responces were unacceptable, I'm glad Patrick picked it up and as you said is 
showing a lot of charachtor by facing the storm but it's what needs to be done. 
And now he at least isn't loosing potential customers because they can't get in 
the site.

 Actually maybe the guy was right, maybe we shouldnt program too browsers with 
issues because at least then ms would be forced to change ie! haha

 Patrick, was just curious if you sent that as an attatchment?
 The other problem i am having is when I open up a email from you or the 
webmaster I get a few popup warnings as well.

 dave

 
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 My god, I'm away from the list for a day and look all the trouble you
 people get into...

 Rock on, Dave... and tell me why you have all the fun when I'm out of
 the office?

 I looked at the site... not bad, kinda busy, a few JS errors, and they
 have to use popups or frames for data conduits for spoofing
 "background" posts/validations... it's all a matter of opener or
 target operations. I had a colleague at one point who was fond of
 putting a window object in a JS variable, then showing it until the
 body onLoad event had finished, then closed it. Actually, I downloaded
 cuteFTP the other night, and they used that exact same technique to
 spawn a download, then close the window that kicked it off.

 I once used the opener object to popup a sub-form with a single select
 for picking a zip code, then alter the content of the opener based on
 the choice. It was cool, a little like the Flash calendar control...
 but, not magic.

 And Googling for JS workarounds isn't a sign of expertise... I'm not
 ripping on anybody here, I'm just sayin... ya can't bs a bs-er. The
 real sign of a professional organization would be to fire, or severely
 discipline, the webmaster in question and publicize the result. Fix
 the errors in the site, and publish progress reports. Update the site
 design to consistent, modern methods. And be completely forthright in
 how your technology achieves it's results.

 Patrick, I kinda respect your willingness to walk into a firestorm...
 I'll really respect what followthru I see. That builds confidence.

 Which, as you point out, builds sales.

 Laterz!

 J

 



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