Gruss Gott wrote:
> Jochem wrote:
>> Why is that point here? What is the magical number that decides that it is
>> going to happen *now*?
> 
> Because up until now the money withdrawn from pensions was less than
> the money in the monthly pension payout.

The difference between both is pretty much proportional to the ratio between 
active employees and retired employees. So what was initially a surplus has 
been steadily declining and is now at break-even. It seems to me that 
governments have been dealing with reduced for a while now.


>> Would they get a federal bailout when they don't have bankrupcy protection?
> 
> It's not bankruptcy protection, it's laws that guarantee pension
> payout.  For example, on the private level, the federal gov't created
> the PBGC to guarantee that even if a company with a defined benefit
> went bankrupt, the pensioners wouldn't be totally out of luck.

There you have it, "went bankrupt". Bankrupcy is the ultimate 'proof' that you 
really can't pay.


>> Taxes of course. But I don't see local and state governments being bailed out
>
> I believe the Federal Gov't is the ultimate guarantor of the defined
> benefit which would mean that if a city cannot pay, the feds have to. 

But when has a city reached the point where it cannot pay? Isn't that when it 
is bankrupt?

Jochem

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