Dana wrote:
> Jochem van Dieten wrote:
>> I define euthanasia as the active termination of the live of a 
>> patient by medical personnel on the explicit request of the patient. 
>> If it is not active, it might be derilection of duty or whatever, but 
>> not euthanasia. If it is not on the request of the patient, it is not 
>> euthanasia but murder.
> 
> Well, not necessarily active, if you go by Schiavo.

I don't, so according to my definition Schiavo was not euthanasia.


> However that final sentence above is the point I am trying to make

It is? So your position is:
  "The active termination of the live of a patient by medical personnel
  without the explicit request of the patient is murder."


> so I do not understand how you can believe this as 
> the same time as what you say below?

Since I don't see the conflict between both statements please elaborate.

Jochem

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