aha... now that does make a difference...

Dana

On 6/30/05, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I saw the news broadcast of the hearings and saw exactly the scene you are
> referring to. You completely left out this comment by Gen. John Abizaid:
> 
> "I believe there are more foreign fighters coming into Iraq than there were
> six months ago."
> 
> Of course, it needs to be put in context:
> 
> "We see good progress in both Iraq and Afghanistan... But we are realistic.
> And we know that great change is often accompanied with violence. We are not
> trying to paint a rosy picture,"
> 
> But the fact remains that he is describing an event completely different
> than Dick Cheney's version of Iraq: "I think they're in the last throes, if
> you will, of the insurgency."
> 
> 
> Matthew Small
> Web Developer
> American City Business Journals
> 704-973-1045
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:03 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: speaking of
> 
> Do you mean the Weinberger doctrine?
> 
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/26/04646.shtml
> 
> Kennedy's 'Rummy' Attack Backfired
> 
> Sen. Ted Kennedy's attempt during Thursday's Armed Services Committee
> hearings to embarrass Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld by calling on
> him to resign over the "Iraq quagmire" got major TV and radio
> coverage.
> 
> But what happened next wound up on the cutting room floor of most news
> broadcasts.
> 
> At the hearing, Rumsfeld was flanked by three four-star generals. And
> each one of them blew Kennedy's criticism out of the water.
> According to quotes picked up by the Washington Times, Army Gen.
> George Casey told the Massachusetts Democrat:
> 
> "As the commander in Iraq, I would like to put myself on the record,
> Senator Kennedy, as saying that I also agree with the secretary that
> to represent the situation in Iraq as a quagmire is a
> misrepresentation of the facts. Senator, that is not a quagmire."
> 
> Next up was Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, Joint Chiefs chairman. He
> told Kennedy: "It's clearly not a quagmire. ... The term has been used
> loosely, and it's not accurate in my estimation."
> 
> Then the top commander in the region, Army Gen. John Abizaid, weighed
> in, saying the last thing he wanted to see was a Rumsfeld resignation.
> 
> "When it comes to toughness and stick-to-itiveness and fighting the
> enemy the way they need to be fought, I'm standing by the secretary,"
> he pledged.
> 
> 
> On 6/29/05, SStewart wrote:
> > Regardless, if we had followed the Powell doctrine, and hit Iraq with an
> overwhelming *international* force, this would all be over and our troops
> would be home.
> >
> > Instead we follow the doctrine of a man (Rumsfeld)with no practical
> military experience, who's been at odds with the Joint Chiefs, the very
> people he should be taking his cues and advice from since day one.. Who has
> cost thousands of lives unecessisarily, and put the US Armed Forces in a
> Vietnam sized quagmire without any sensible plan for progression or
> completion.
> >
> > Whether or not we should be there, IMO is irrelevant at this point. Define
> the mission, finish the mission expeditiously, and bring the fighting men
> and women home.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

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