I'm an infantryman. First on active duty (3 years in the 82nd Airborne) and most recently of B co 3-116th Infantry.
I got back from Afghanistan a little over a month ago. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:20 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: speaking of > > > Loathe, > What did you do in the Army? > > I haven't heard anyone mention counter mortar radar since I left the > Marines 17 years ago. I was FDC for towed 155mm Nuclear Capable > howitzers. > > FDC (Fire Direction Control): a forward observer (someone closer to the > enemy than I was) would call in the coordinates of a target. The FDC > team would calculate the location of the howitzers (canons) and the > location of the enemy target and determine what kind of round (several > kinds of projectiles that can be shot through a howitzer, the arsenal my > unit had at its disposal included Nukes) how to aim the canons, and how > much gun powder it would take to get the round to the target. We would > then call all that information down to the gun line and send the rounds > down range. > > -----Original Message----- > From: loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:09 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: speaking of > > > > That's not what US Special Forces in Afghanistan said. They said > they > > > troop strength was reduced by 90% and they lost equipment support. > > > > Are you passing around crap you heard in the bar as facts or do you > > actually have a source this time:) > > Do they need to be at the same levels they were at before the > > Taliban fell? > > Tell me I don't know what I am talking about Sam!! Tell me about losing > people, for what? In non-armored humvees. Tell me why that largest air > base in Afghanistan doesn't have a counter battery radar to respond to > indirect fire, after you look up what that means. > > > > > 2.) It erodes world support for America (except for Russia). > > > > I don't agree. > > > > > > Ok, but anyone that's actually studied the matter agrees with me. > > > > By studying do you really mean, "Believe the biased Pew polls"? > > Have you traveled internationally in the last few years? I have, and > not > only for the Army, but going to Europe for the State Dept. Ask an > Italian > off the street what they think of our policies sometime. > > > > > 3.) It creates a test bed for techniques and weapons. > > > > Doesn't every war? The difference is the terrorists are dying in > this > > > > training camp. > > > > > > Yes, the dumb ones die, are replaced by 2 more and the smart ones > pass > > > along the technology to Bin Laden. > > > > Are you saying that in war only the dumb ones die? That's an extremely > > obnoxious thing to say and I hope you apologize for it. > > It's called lessons learned. Your force learns TTPs (Tactics, > Techniques > and Procedures). You get better and better at what you're doing. > > > > > > > > > 4.) It creates a terrorist recruiting dream: find the good > attackers > > > > and take them global. > > > > Huh? > > > > > > You throw a buch of guys into Bahgdad and some real leaders will > > > emerge. They'll be clever, motivated, well-trained, and battle > > > experienced. Now they're ready for the big leagues - attacking > > > America. > > > > Isn't that what every war does? Are you saying what they learn in > > Baghdad will help them with terrorist attacks against the US? > > Different battles and battlefields. > > Really? It's the same people doing the same sort of security > operations. > State, CIA, FBI, HS, all these different federal agencies running force > protection ops around the world, all running from the same play book. > You > don't think they might notice a pattern in there somewhere? > > > > > 6.) It demoralizes Americans. > > > > Only people like you do that. > > > > > > Wonderful! The Vietnam disease of shooting the messenger. > > > > We would have won Kennedy's Vietnam War if it weren't for Fonda, Kerry > > and people like you. > > Or we could have pushed the soviets into a corner and caused WW 3. You > can't back up a statement like that. > > > > > 8.) It creates a false sense for security for people that buy the > > > > "fight them there" propaganda. > > > > As opposed to the real security of just sitting around and > waiting? > > > > > > No. As opposed to using our full military effort to attack the > people > > > that attacked us - Al qaeda. You might as well dig a ditch as > invade > > > Iraq. They are both equally effective at dismantling Al Qaeda. > > > > If you only look for Bin Laden you will miss all the other terrorists. > > Al Qeada is in Iraq, they had connections to Iraq and Iraq was a safe > > haven for the terrorists. > > What about Indonesia? What about the Philippines? What about the > Sudan, > Afghanistan, Saudi, Egypt, Yemen? Are we going to invade everyone? > > Tim > B co 3-116th Infantry > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:162693 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
