oh are we talking about a PR question? I am sure that dredging up these remarks, if true, was a PR move on behalf of Rove and Co. I am sure that many Fox News viewers would be turned off by them, absolutely.
As for believing that the United States is in danger of becoming a fascist state, it's a view that's been expressed more than once on this list, for one thing, and ... ::ponder:: Yes, I think I'm willing to say for the record and in all sobriety, yes it is. We aren't a Nazi state yet, but the smearing of Cindy Sheehan and of anyone else who opposes the Bushies smells a lot like McCarthyism. We aren't putting our own citizens into concentration camps yet, but we've effectively gutted the First and Fourth Amendments and the idea of preventitive detention is gaining in popular acceptance. It's already irrelevant what the popular vote is. There is, in effect, no Fourth Estate. ummmm... if you don't see echoes of totalitarianism there, I am not sure what to tell you. Dana On 8/19/05, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I am saying is that such opinions represent the political fringe in the > U.S. I'm sure there are people who believe the U.S. is a fascist state and > that Bush is a terrorist- Cindy Sheehan ia apparently one of them. But those > beliefs are way out of the U.S. mainstream, and Bush's opponents in > government (e.g. Democrats in the House and Senate) would be committing > political suicide to endorse them. > > As for the definition of terrorism, we had that discussion a little while > ago, as I recall. The problem with calling Bush a terrorist is that one is, > by extension, calling the U.S. military terrorists. Bush hasn't actually > dropped a bomb or pulled a trigger on a gun or fired the main gun of an M1 > tank in Iraq. If there were documented events that went outside the bounds of > what the U.S. public considers fair and just treatment, there would be a > massive public outcry- as indeed there was about Abu Graib. No such protest > has been raised about Fallujah or any other U.S. military offensive in Iraq. > > The President is fair game for any criticism that comes his way. That's the > nature of the job. I just don't think many people in the U.S. will take Cindy > Sheehan seriously when she calls the President a terrorist. Will there be > some? Sure. Maybe 5% of the country will listen to her. That's millions of > people, but still just a small fringe in the country's political spectrum. > There are those on the right who believe that the President is a holy warrior > opposing the infidel forces of Islam. They are out of the mainstream, too. > > >I had not seen those statements at the time I asked the question and I > >am still not sure of the context; been busy. But hmm, the US *is* > >showing disturbing parallels to fascism, you know. Sorry you don't > >think that's worthy of debate. As for W the terrorist, I am sure there > >are people who see it that way. > > > >Reminds me of Terry Pratchett's obsrevation that all cultural myths > >are true, for a given value for true. > > > >What's *your* definition of a terrorist? > > > >Dana > > > >On 8/18/05, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:170410 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
