This is what the latest digest looked like when it came in. Hurts just to look at it. :)
> CF-Community-List Sat, 15 Dec 2001 Volume 1 : Number 93 > > In this issue: > > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > Re: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > Re: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > RE: Ouch > Re: Ouch > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:56:55 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Have you ever seen the game show Leno does where he gets three complete > idiots on the show and asks totally innane questions -- Leno: What holiday > is celebrated on July 4? Josh: Um, that president dude's birthday? > > H. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 7:35 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > He asked one girl how many moons orbit the earth and she said 7!!! I > about crapped my pants! You don't have to go to school, you don't have > to even know how to read, all you have to do is LOOK IN THE SKY AT > NIGHT!!!!! > > I actually threw something at the TV and my wife yelled at me. > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > www.endoradigital.com > 630/942-5211 x-134 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Todd > To: CF-Community > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > I meant that a lot of people are plain clueless/uneducated. Kind of > like > when Leno goes out on the street and picks a random person and asks > them if > they know who the President of the U.S. is and they just look at him > blankly > and drool on themselves. If it's not on Ally McFriends the Vampire > Slayer, > they don't know nuthin' 'bout it. > > Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Will Swain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:11 AM > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > As I mentioned, the declaration of war on Germany by France, Britain > and > > Australia/New Zealand was sept 3rd 1939. However, the process of > events > that > > led to the invasion of Poland began some time before. > > > > will > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 14 December 2001 14:58 > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > > Actually any good history of WWII should have the information. > Good that > > is, > > > meaning that its not an American centric history. All too often > most > have > > > the impression that WWII started Dec 7 1941, rather than early > September, > > > 1939, with the invasion of Czechoslovakia. > > > > All too often, most coundn't give you ANY date about when WWII > started. > =-/ > > > > Todd > > ----- > > Todd for President > > ICBMs for everyone, for a better tomorrow. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:56:55 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > We had a poor military in the '90s? > > I think you've been paying too much attention to GOP spin. > > It's kind of amazing how supposedly unprepared we were through all of > Clinton's years, then a few months after Bush takes office, we're pounding > the shit out of the Taliban and nobody is saying a word about how unprepared > we are. > > H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:26 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > I am curious. How could we spend trillions on defense and still end up in > the 90s with a "poor" military? Waste? Fraud? I wonder. > > -Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:54 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > You mean, besides run the economy into the toilet? > > > > On military and foreign policy issues, I'm a big fan of the Gipper. But > > trickle-down was just plain stupid. > > > > H. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lon Lentz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:09 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > What did Reagan do that was all that bad? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:25 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > > > > On larry king a few months before the election, larry asked GW who is > > > favourite president was and he responded with Ronald Ragan.... > > > anyone seeing > > > any similarity.... > > > > > > it is the 1980s again.... thats what you get with a republican > > govenment > > > Benjamin > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:07:00 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Before Sept. 11, the thought of two planes flying into the WTC was "remote > at best." > > All it takes is one very hateful guy with a lot of dough and he's got > himself an ICBM. Suddenly, New York has about 1 million dead. > > I'm not saying it's not remote -- if it was easy, Bin Laden would have done > it -- but since there is no reason not to prepare for such a threat, why not > do it. The residual benefits will make it worthwhile any way (increased > employment, more money churning through the economy, new technological > breakthroughs, and not just military wise). > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:31 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > Or the time is to put better espionage systems in place. With our satellite > systems today we can see just about everything. The chance of a functional > BM falling into the hands of terrorists is extremely remote at best. Someone > flying a plane into a building I could easily buy, in fact it surprises me > no one tried it before (other than the B-25 accident with the Empire State > Building). > > I hope we are all still around 20 years from now to discuss this and see > where it went. Keep the archive going forever! > > -Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:14 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > The point of building an ABM system isn't to protect us against current > > threats -- but potential threats. If a true ICBM system fell > > into the hands > > of a hostile government (however that might happen), would you really want > > to wait 10-20 years to develop a reliable defense? The time to do it is > > now. > > > > H. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:58 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > At 01:47 PM 12/13/01, Corrigan wrote: > > > > >can do it all. I just don't understand why people are so opposed to a > > >program that is designed to protect us. > > > > The only way a missile defense system can protect us from current threats > > is if they aim it at post offices. We are not under threat from anybody > > with the ability to hit us with a nuclear missile. > > > > This isn't about defense, it's about lining the pockets of the companies > > that sell the missiles. > > > > If they were serious about protecting us, they'd be upgrading the > > facilities at the CDC, and taking pro-active steps to ensure the safety of > > the scientist who can assist in the creation of antidotes and > > vaccines. Have you seen the body count on them lately? > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:07:00 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you had no real rights left, you wouldn't have been able to make that > statement. > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:57 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > At 02:24 PM 12/14/01, you wrote: > > >The coup is happening now. Your rights are slipping away slowly. It is just > >very subtle. > > > >-Gary > > The coup happened in November. It's a done deal. We have no real rights > left, only propaganda illusions. It's been that way for years. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:07:01 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Correction, a leading light of the right-wing movement. > > There's a world of difference between right-wingers and conservatives. > > H. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:55 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > During the election six years ago Virginia had the misfortune of having > Oliver North run against the incumbent. Watching North out and out lie about > what happened, and also lie about having been convicted was very revealing. > and he is considered to be one of the leading lights of the conservative > movement. > > larry > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > ColdFusion/Web Developer > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > EBStor.com > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > tel: (703) 393-7930 > fax: (703) 393-2659 > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > http://www.pacel.com > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:52 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > I will never, ever forget this. While we are drinking a beer > > I will casually > > ask you about it. Then, when I get up off the floor, we can keep > > drinking. -Gary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:17 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > > > > I've done the same thing. I blasted my father over the > > very same thing > > > an he got pissed!!! Called Ollie North a good American and > > all that. > > > Then he called me a commie. Gary will probably get a kick > > out of that > > > one eh? > > > > > > Sorry, I disagree. Just because he looked like a hard ass > > while doing > > > it (lying to congress) doesn't make it right. > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > > Programmer > > > Endora Digital Solutions > > > www.endoradigital.com > > > 630/942-5211 x-134 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: CF-Community > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:23 AM > > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > > > > But, but, but ... > > > > > > All through the Clinton years, I heard all of these pious > > Republicans > > > blast > > > Clinton -- the same people who never said a bad word > > about Reagan or > > > Bush or > > > Nixon (going that far back). > > > > > > I don't like the double standard any more than you, but > > it isn't just > > > Clinton supporters, my friend. > > > > > > I once was talking to a guy who was blasting Clinton for > > being a liar. > > > I > > > knew he was a fan of Ollie North, so I said, "Here's your double > > > standard: > > > Ollie North lied to Congress. Clinton only lied on a > > deposition in a > > > civil > > > case." The guy went ballistic -- how dare I besmirch the name of > > > Ollie > > > North! > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:13 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > You're right, if Reagan and his administration did illegal things, > > then > > they should be punished. That is not my point. I'm not justifying > > the > > illegalities that happened during the Reagan administration, but I'm > > sick of seeing people criticize him and not hold their beloved Clinton > > to the same standards. > > > > Michael Corrigan > > Programmer > > Endora Digital Solutions > > www.endoradigital.com > > 630/942-5211 x-134 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Maureen > > To: CF-Community > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:05 PM > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > At 01:55 PM 12/13/01, Corrigan wrote: > > >Are you actually going to say that Bill Clinton didn't break any > > laws, > > >didn't compromise our national secrets? Reagan is a saint next to > > >Clinton!! > > > > Red-Herring alert! > > The fact that Clinton broke laws doesn't excuse that fact that > > Reagan > > did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:15:28 -0500 > From: Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 12:07 AM 12/15/01, Howard wrote: > >Before Sept. 11, the thought of two planes flying into the WTC was "remote > >at best." > > Just a few weeks before the September 11 incident, the television Lone > Gunman had an episode about a plane flying into a skyscraper. > > Tom Clancy's book Sum of all Fears ends with a plane being flown by a > terrorist into the White House. > > So obviously some people had thought of it. The military supposedly even > had a scenario for it. > > My problem with all of this is the government's lack of action to prevent > known threats while spinning about how we need to protect against threats > that are improbable. > > It's about priorities, and the government's priorities have been screwed > for years. > > I could give you a list of 50+ scenarios where kamikaze terrorists could > bring this country to its knees and the government has no protection > against any of them. > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:17:48 -0500 > From: Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 12:07 AM 12/15/01, Howard wrote: > >Correction, a leading light of the right-wing movement. > > > >There's a world of difference between right-wingers and conservatives. > > Maybe so, but you'd never know it. The conservatives have let the > right-wing totally co-op the party platform and the media presence. > > It's getting a little better than it was a few years ago, but there are > still way too many Ralph Reed's speaking for the conservative movement for > my comfort. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:52:18 +1100 > From: "Benjamin Falloon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Ouch > Message-ID: <001001c1852c$a7e32120$5700a8c0@qubit> > > > All it takes is one very hateful guy with a lot of dough and he's got > > himself an ICBM. Suddenly, New York has about 1 million dead. > > yes... ALOT of dough indeed.... billions > and a place to install a launch pad... and personal etc etc > That is way simplifying things don't you think? > > Benjamin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 4:07 PM > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > Before Sept. 11, the thought of two planes flying into the WTC was "remote > > at best." > > > > All it takes is one very hateful guy with a lot of dough and he's got > > himself an ICBM. Suddenly, New York has about 1 million dead. > > > > I'm not saying it's not remote -- if it was easy, Bin Laden would have > done > > it -- but since there is no reason not to prepare for such a threat, why > not > > do it. The residual benefits will make it worthwhile any way (increased > > employment, more money churning through the economy, new technological > > breakthroughs, and not just military wise). > > > > H. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:31 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > Or the time is to put better espionage systems in place. With our > satellite > > systems today we can see just about everything. The chance of a functional > > BM falling into the hands of terrorists is extremely remote at best. > Someone > > flying a plane into a building I could easily buy, in fact it surprises me > > no one tried it before (other than the B-25 accident with the Empire State > > Building). > > > > I hope we are all still around 20 years from now to discuss this and see > > where it went. Keep the archive going forever! > > > > -Gary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:14 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > > > > The point of building an ABM system isn't to protect us against current > > > threats -- but potential threats. If a true ICBM system fell > > > into the hands > > > of a hostile government (however that might happen), would you really > want > > > to wait 10-20 years to develop a reliable defense? The time to do it is > > > now. > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:58 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > > > > At 01:47 PM 12/13/01, Corrigan wrote: > > > > > > >can do it all. I just don't understand why people are so opposed to a > > > >program that is designed to protect us. > > > > > > The only way a missile defense system can protect us from current > threats > > > is if they aim it at post offices. We are not under threat from anybody > > > with the ability to hit us with a nuclear missile. > > > > > > This isn't about defense, it's about lining the pockets of the companies > > > that sell the missiles. > > > > > > If they were serious about protecting us, they'd be upgrading the > > > facilities at the CDC, and taking pro-active steps to ensure the safety > of > > > the scientist who can assist in the creation of antidotes and > > > vaccines. Have you seen the body count on them lately? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:03:09 -0600 > From: "Gary P. McNeel, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Exactly. I could not agree more. I was being rhetorical, sorry, should have > said so. -Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:57 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > We had a poor military in the '90s? > > > > I think you've been paying too much attention to GOP spin. > > > > It's kind of amazing how supposedly unprepared we were through all of > > Clinton's years, then a few months after Bush takes office, we're pounding > > the shit out of the Taliban and nobody is saying a word about how > > unprepared > > we are. > > > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:26 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > I am curious. How could we spend trillions on defense and still end up in > > the 90s with a "poor" military? Waste? Fraud? I wonder. > > > > -Gary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:54 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > > > > You mean, besides run the economy into the toilet? > > > > > > On military and foreign policy issues, I'm a big fan of the Gipper. But > > > trickle-down was just plain stupid. > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lon Lentz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:09 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > > > > What did Reagan do that was all that bad? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:25 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > > > > > > > On larry king a few months before the election, larry asked GW who is > > > > favourite president was and he responded with Ronald Ragan.... > > > > anyone seeing > > > > any similarity.... > > > > > > > > it is the 1980s again.... thats what you get with a republican > > > govenment > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:05:01 -0600 > From: "Gary P. McNeel, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sure you would, you would just be chastised and outcast. People spoke out > against Hitler and Stalin. At first. Over the years it died off though. And > yet, Hitler got an entire country to buy into his patriotism and > nationalism. > > -Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:07 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > If you had no real rights left, you wouldn't have been able to make that > > statement. > > > > H. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:57 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > At 02:24 PM 12/14/01, you wrote: > > > > >The coup is happening now. Your rights are slipping away slowly. > > It is just > > >very subtle. > > > > > >-Gary > > > > The coup happened in November. It's a done deal. We have no real rights > > left, only propaganda illusions. It's been that way for years. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 17:18:29 +1100 > From: "Benjamin Falloon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Ouch > Message-ID: <002901c18530$504506f0$5700a8c0@qubit> > > Expected Responce (in parody) > > "Hey... wait a minute! This is America... land of the free and brave! You > can't compare us to Hilter an Stalin!!!!... Your conspiracy theories don't > hold up!" > > Benjamin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary P. McNeel, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 5:05 PM > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > Sure you would, you would just be chastised and outcast. People spoke out > > against Hitler and Stalin. At first. Over the years it died off though. > And > > yet, Hitler got an entire country to buy into his patriotism and > > nationalism. > > > > -Gary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:07 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > > > > If you had no real rights left, you wouldn't have been able to make that > > > statement. > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:57 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > > > > At 02:24 PM 12/14/01, you wrote: > > > > > > >The coup is happening now. Your rights are slipping away slowly. > > > It is just > > > >very subtle. > > > > > > > >-Gary > > > > > > The coup happened in November. It's a done deal. We have no real > rights > > > left, only propaganda illusions. It's been that way for years. > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 01:20:54 -0500 > From: Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 12:07 AM 12/15/01, Howard wrote: > >If you had no real rights left, you wouldn't have been able to make that > >statement. > > > >H. > > Nah, so far my only crime is inciting people to think and they'll let me > talk as long as suits their agenda for us to have the appearance of > freedom, but if I said anything that really mattered, they'd be on me in > heartbeat. > > Ashcroft has already stated that any one who dissents is aiding and > abetting the terrorists, and Bush has already said that the US is at war > with anyone who aided and abetted. So where does that leave free speech? > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:38:11 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Ralph Reed SAYS he's speaking for conservatives. But he doesn't speak for > me. And before his death, Barry Goldwater made it clear that the Jerry > Falwell's of the world didn't speak for him. > > Right wingers have hijacked the word "conservative," but what they preach > has only a facile similarity to true conservativism. What they preach is > self-serving, narrow-minded and often hateful. > > H. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:18 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > At 12:07 AM 12/15/01, Howard wrote: > >Correction, a leading light of the right-wing movement. > > > >There's a world of difference between right-wingers and conservatives. > > Maybe so, but you'd never know it. The conservatives have let the > right-wing totally co-op the party platform and the media presence. > > It's getting a little better than it was a few years ago, but there are > still way too many Ralph Reed's speaking for the conservative movement for > my comfort. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:38:08 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Actually, the Lone Gunman had them flying into the WTC. But the terrorists > were directing the plane through computer hacking, not through physical > presence. It was the premier episode of the series. I bet it's never shown > on TV again. > > But just because people have thought of it, doesn't have anything to do with > judging how remote a possibility it is. Obviously, people have thought of > some rich guy buying an ICBM and launching at the U.S. The TV show the > Agency had an episode where a terrorist bought an entire Soviet sub, > including crew and weapons (the CIA stopped delivery, of course). > > Again -- I say -- since there is no logical reason not to build it, and > since it will have so many practical benefits beyond just providing > defense -- I say why not build it. > > H. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:15 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > At 12:07 AM 12/15/01, Howard wrote: > >Before Sept. 11, the thought of two planes flying into the WTC was "remote > >at best." > > Just a few weeks before the September 11 incident, the television Lone > Gunman had an episode about a plane flying into a skyscraper. > > Tom Clancy's book Sum of all Fears ends with a plane being flown by a > terrorist into the White House. > > So obviously some people had thought of it. The military supposedly even > had a scenario for it. > > My problem with all of this is the government's lack of action to prevent > known threats while spinning about how we need to protect against threats > that are improbable. > > It's about priorities, and the government's priorities have been screwed > for years. > > I could give you a list of 50+ scenarios where kamikaze terrorists could > bring this country to its knees and the government has no protection > against any of them. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:38:12 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I think mere millions would do it. > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:52 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > All it takes is one very hateful guy with a lot of dough and he's got > > himself an ICBM. Suddenly, New York has about 1 million dead. > > yes... ALOT of dough indeed.... billions > and a place to install a launch pad... and personal etc etc > That is way simplifying things don't you think? > > Benjamin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 4:07 PM > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > Before Sept. 11, the thought of two planes flying into the WTC was "remote > > at best." > > > > All it takes is one very hateful guy with a lot of dough and he's got > > himself an ICBM. Suddenly, New York has about 1 million dead. > > > > I'm not saying it's not remote -- if it was easy, Bin Laden would have > done > > it -- but since there is no reason not to prepare for such a threat, why > not > > do it. The residual benefits will make it worthwhile any way (increased > > employment, more money churning through the economy, new technological > > breakthroughs, and not just military wise). > > > > H. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:31 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > Or the time is to put better espionage systems in place. With our > satellite > > systems today we can see just about everything. The chance of a functional > > BM falling into the hands of terrorists is extremely remote at best. > Someone > > flying a plane into a building I could easily buy, in fact it surprises me > > no one tried it before (other than the B-25 accident with the Empire State > > Building). > > > > I hope we are all still around 20 years from now to discuss this and see > > where it went. Keep the archive going forever! > > > > -Gary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:14 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > > > > The point of building an ABM system isn't to protect us against current > > > threats -- but potential threats. If a true ICBM system fell > > > into the hands > > > of a hostile government (however that might happen), would you really > want > > > to wait 10-20 years to develop a reliable defense? The time to do it is > > > now. > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:58 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Ouch > > > > > > > > > At 01:47 PM 12/13/01, Corrigan wrote: > > > > > > >can do it all. I just don't understand why people are so opposed to a > > > >program that is designed to protect us. > > > > > > The only way a missile defense system can protect us from current > threats > > > is if they aim it at post offices. We are not under threat from anybody > > > with the ability to hit us with a nuclear missile. > > > > > > This isn't about defense, it's about lining the pockets of the companies > > > that sell the missiles. > > > > > > If they were serious about protecting us, they'd be upgrading the > > > facilities at the CDC, and taking pro-active steps to ensure the safety > of > > > the scientist who can assist in the creation of antidotes and > > > vaccines. Have you seen the body count on them lately? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:44:14 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Who would be on you in a heartbeat? > > And what would you say that really mattered? > > This is a rather nebulous paragraph you've written, so it's hard to refute. > > A college in New England recently voted, as a student body, to condemn the > war against terrorism. You don't see any storm troopers in New England, do > you? > > Obviously, free speech is quite healthy. > > I've missed very little news about all of this -- I would like to see the > full quote, in context, of what Ashcroft said, because it doesn't ring a > bell with me. > > It's quite clear what Bush met by aided and abetted, so you're jumping to > conclusions without a supporting premise. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:21 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > At 12:07 AM 12/15/01, Howard wrote: > >If you had no real rights left, you wouldn't have been able to make that > >statement. > > > >H. > > Nah, so far my only crime is inciting people to think and they'll let me > talk as long as suits their agenda for us to have the appearance of > freedom, but if I said anything that really mattered, they'd be on me in > heartbeat. > > Ashcroft has already stated that any one who dissents is aiding and > abetting the terrorists, and Bush has already said that the US is at war > with anyone who aided and abetted. So where does that leave free speech? > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:44:14 -0800 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ouch > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you speak out and your peers beat you into the ground because of it, it > doesn't mean you don't have the right to speak out. > > If you speak out and the government imprisons you because of it, then you've > lost your rights. > > Clearly, our rights are still alive and kicking. I haven't been prevented > from doing anything since Sept. 11 that I wasn't able to do before Sept. 11. > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 10:05 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > Sure you would, you would just be chastised and outcast. People spoke out > against Hitler and Stalin. At first. Over the years it died off though. And > yet, Hitler got an entire country to buy into his patriotism and > nationalism. > > -Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:07 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > If you had no real rights left, you wouldn't have been able to make that > > statement. > > > > H. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:57 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > At 02:24 PM 12/14/01, you wrote: > > > > >The coup is happening now. Your rights are slipping away slowly. > > It is just > > >very subtle. > > > > > >-Gary > > > > The coup happened in November. It's a done deal. We have no real rights > > left, only propaganda illusions. It's been that way for years. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:19:13 +1100 > From: "Benjamin Falloon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Ouch > Message-ID: <004501c18541$2e00fe30$5700a8c0@qubit> > > > Again -- I say -- since there is no logical reason not to build it, and > > since it will have so many practical benefits beyond just providing > > defense -- I say why not build it. > > How about spending the money helping homeless people find a living? > > Benjamin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:38 PM > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > Actually, the Lone Gunman had them flying into the WTC. But the > terrorists > > were directing the plane through computer hacking, not through physical > > presence. It was the premier episode of the series. I bet it's never > shown > > on TV again. > > > > But just because people have thought of it, doesn't have anything to do > with > > judging how remote a possibility it is. Obviously, people have thought of > > some rich guy buying an ICBM and launching at the U.S. The TV show the > > Agency had an episode where a terrorist bought an entire Soviet sub, > > including crew and weapons (the CIA stopped delivery, of course). > > > > Again -- I say -- since there is no logical reason not to build it, and > > since it will have so many practical benefits beyond just providing > > defense -- I say why not build it. > > > > H. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:15 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Ouch > > > > > > At 12:07 AM 12/15/01, Howard wrote: > > >Before Sept. 11, the thought of two planes flying into the WTC was > "remote > > >at best." > > > > Just a few weeks before the September 11 incident, the television Lone > > Gunman had an episode about a plane flying into a skyscraper. > > > > Tom Clancy's book Sum of all Fears ends with a plane being flown by a > > terrorist into the White House. > > > > So obviously some people had thought of it. The military supposedly even > > had a scenario for it. > > > > My problem with all of this is the government's lack of action to prevent > > known threats while spinning about how we need to protect against threats > > that are improbable. > > > > It's about priorities, and the government's priorities have been screwed > > for years. > > > > I could give you a list of 50+ scenarios where kamikaze terrorists could > > bring this country to its knees and the government has no protection > > against any of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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