but I suspect that the Iraqis see the presence of American troops as the
problem. To paraphrase an old business saying, you can't make that up on
volume. Increases in troop strength play to the opposition's argument that
this is all a matter of US oppression. I don't think any amount of smarts
will finesse this problem. Withdraw and let the United Nations do its job.
Not that THIS administration will do anything of the kind. But... we have
had elections. Supposedl they were open and fair elections. Let the Iraqi
government create peace in Iraq.
 The present situation is like slapping a child for crying and threatening
to continue slapping him untill he stops. There is a long shot that it just
might work, but forget ever getting any respect from him in future.

Dana

 On 11/11/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Tango wrote:
> > Yes. Get out now. Let the Iraqi people get to work at stabilizing their
> own
> > country.
>
> While that's a tempting argument, the problem is if we did that Iraq
> would spiral into civil war. Hundreds of thousands would die due to
> the mess Mr. Bush created and Iraq would likely become an Iranian
> state or a new terrorist haven ala Afghanistan c. 2000.
>
> Ultimately all of that would be our problem all over again, but WAY
> larger.
>
> I'm convinced the best thing we can do now is to get competent
> leadership into the Whitehouse and Pentagon that's capable of
> designing a plan to get us out of the mess.
>
> 

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