very nice advice, my friend.  that worked for me and my wife with my 
best friend.  we set it up, even, as you suggested.  worked like a charm.

Later on:

"Did he introduce me as your girlfriend?"

"Yea"

"Is that what we are now?"

"*I* thought so"

"Yay!  Me too, I just didn't know how to bring it up!"

And the big smooch ensues...and you've kept your dignity.  :)

Tony wrote:
> ben,
> 
> there is such an easier method.
> 
> fuck permission, you lose all power there.  you must have a friend,
> preferrably your largest "sticks his foot in mouth boy" friend, and have
> him, or her, introduce you and your lady friend, to someone that your
> friend knows, and say "this is my friend Ben and his girlfriend
> [insert name here], ooooops.... did i just say that?"  or drop the
> ooops part to make it seem as strong
> and sure as ever.  that way she knows you are into her, because why would the
> friend know if you hadnt been telling him/her about it already.
> 
> it works perfectly. its the ultimate in passive aggressiveness :)
> 
> tw
> 
> On 11/15/05, Ben Doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Hopefully very soon.  Actually, I think it's just lacking the formality
>>of my asking permission to use that term.  I basically think of her that
>>way, anyway.
>>
>>--Ben
>>
>>Jillian Koskie wrote:
>>
>>>when does 'the girl I've been seeing' become 'the gf'?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>A shorter version of that would be very similar to how the girl I've
>>>>been seeing wears her hair.
>>>>
>>>>--Ben
>>>>
>>>>Deanna Schneider wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 

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