On 2/3/06, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or it could mean that they see the value of Respect for Religion and > people of different faiths. And just as they are sensitive about what > they would post about Christians they are similarly sensitive of what > they would post about Islam. > > Sure Re Freedom of Speech the Danish newspaper, French Newspapers etc. > can publish whatever the hell they please. But that does not make what > they publish right, or not offensive.Just as no Jew will want Nazi-ism > portrayed or their Religion made fun of in Denmark, France, or Germany > where thare are strict laws against such, why should a Muslim? > > Look, I live in a multi ethnic, multi religious society that respects > all religions equally. In this regard my society is ahead of the US
sure. i do as well. i have friend of all flavors, creeds, religions, etc... and im quite tolerant to those people, and quite tolerant with their people... i show respect where respect is due, and realize its a two way street. > and other places,given the comments on this list and elsewhere in the > Mainstream. We have an Inter Religious Organisation, we have public > holidays that encompass all religions etc. The 'Mainstream' in > Trinidad and Tobago would never ever support something like this, it > would have been immediately seen for being offensive. And we value > free speech and freedom of the press as much as anywhere else, but > there is also good taste, and Respect for Religion as well. And this > is mandated from a civil level among the population and fully > supported and respected at the Government level, hence the Inter > Religious Organisation in this country. is desecrating jewish mosques a good display of the tolerance in palestine? please. > > That 'cartoon' was stupid and offensive, and the editor was rightly > fired for publishing it. All other papers and countries that reposted > the comic were similary foolish and provoking. That was not an issue > about Freedom of Speech, it was an issue about good taste and Respect > for Religion, or rather disrespect for a religion. And the second > major religion in the world at that. Utterly foolish. to who? i found it comical. you found it not comical. if the danish readership found it comical, then why not publish it. it is free speech. plain and simple. you think for one second that they hesitate to publish horribly offensive and distasteful videos of necks getting sliced? come on man. > > It's only reported as an issue about 'Freedom of Speech' because the > subject matter is Islam. Were it Jewish or Christian the entire world > would have sided with the Jews or the Christians in denouncing the > comic and it would most definitely not have been republished.The > action would have been highly criticised and those publishing such > would be seen as 'Extremists'. no quanitifiable evidence, merely a supposition gel. > In other words, sure they *Could* have published it, but if it were > any other religion, *would* they have published it, and *should* it > have been published when seen in the light of respect for religion and > the fact that it would have been seen as offensive? > No. > Anyone who claims otherwise is either bigoted in that they condemn all > of Islam and all Muslims for the actions of Terrorists, or are utterly > ignorant about Islam.There is no way that cartoon would not have been > patently offensive to Muslims.As offensive as one depicting Mary > getting a good shag would be to Christians. muslim people need to control their people before WE as americans, who are non-muslim will start to believe them. i can speak for myself only and im getting more fed up, by the day, with them as a whole, ill not lie. i am losing trust in all of them, quickly. be it right or wrong, i cannot help it, its just happening, without me even thinking about it. > > But as I said in another thread, those on the list arguing vehemently > against Islam will never see it that way, because in their minds they > have condemned all muslims and the entire Religion as a whole. Some of > these individuals show thinly veiled hatred for Islam and Arabs, the > same Hatred and intolerance which these religions and socities are > criticised for showing. i didnt. they are making me feel that way. > > Sadly non americans and non christians are not well represented on > this list, or otherwise they rightly choose to be lurkers, but it > would be so good to get the perspective of a Muslim, or a Hindu on > this issue. im non-christian gel. i have friends who are hindi, i have friends who are hindi and hate being brown right now, they are supremely saddened by their skin color since they are lumped into the category of idiot islamic fuck. > > Again, because of the society in which I live, which is more advanced > in terms of religious tolerance than most places in the world, I sit > with Muslims, Hindus, Baptists, Christians and other denominations all > the time. I enjoy Eid celebrations with my Muslim Friends, I enjoy > Divali with my Hindu neighbours. So I have a far far different > perspective on what it is to be a Muslim, and what publications and > reactions such as what we have from the Industrialised nations of the > West mean to Muslims, and true followers of Islam as a whole. you have a small view of what a few muslims are like. kinda like what most white people say around here... yeah, i love black people, they are cool, they are all great! and they have 1 friend at work who is black, and they take that interpretation and use it in conversation as a catch-all to attest to their tolerance. please man, please. look at the news, look at the rallys, look at the burning effigy's, look at the burning american flags... why are we supps to sit back and say, oh its ok, they are just kidding, they dont really hate us. they dont really want to slit our throats and video tape it, please. man. > > I hope that one day those who lack tolerance and respect for those > different to themselves, will come to a similar realisation before it > is too late for the world. Because as this incident shows, our World > is in serious, serious trouble. i cannot disagree with you man. but its a two way street. two way. we didnt take our world trade center towers down first, they did. its up to them to stop this vicious circle. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:195691 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
