Like I said, "not all encompassing", and I wasn't saying that I was
quoting fact, just "good insight". My point is that the whole thing has
gone to far. Let anybody practice any religion wherever they want,
including school.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:21 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Enron executive commits suicide


Not even close.  The doctrine of separation of church and state springs 
from the desire of the framers of the constitution to avoid the problems

that occurred in England with the protestant/catholic battles waged by
the 
monarchy starting with Henry the VII.

The Baptist church was strongly in support of this doctrine, as were
most 
of the non-Catholic denominations.

Most of the current vocal opponents of separation don't want religion in

schools, they want Christianity in schools.  They want Christian 
prayer.  Allow all religions to pray in school and see how loudly they 
scream when the little wiccan kids start dancing around the maypole, and

the Muslims kneel in the hall to pray toward Mecca.

For an anaylis of this, including copies of the discussions and debates
of 
the framers, go here:
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/toc.htm


At 03:53 PM 1/25/02, Mark wrote:
>I just really think the whole separation of church and state has been
so
>misconstrued it's not even funny. Not that this is all encompassing,
but
>the book, "Birth of the Nation", gave some good insight. Way back in
the
>day, churches were funded by the local government. It just so happened
>that Protestants were the dominating religion of the day. Therefore the
>Catholics and the Jews got screwed and had a hard time practicing their
>faith. It was determined that it wasn't fair to fund just the
>Protestants, so funding was taken away and everybody was free to
>practice their religion of choice. Thus, the separation of church and
>state - nothing more, nothing less.
>
>For some reason, separation of church and state has morphed into, you
>can't pray in school, you can hardly mention God (and I guess you can't
>mention Satan now either), without the ACLU breathing down your neck.
>The ACLU needs to find better things to do with their time.
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:37 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: Enron executive commits suicide
>
>
>I also hearby declare that Jesus is also banned from the list.
>
>Since I'm not God, a Dinowitz, or the government my declaration doesn't
>really matter, but I imagine if I was one of the above a lot of people
>would
>be pretty pissed.
>That's the entire point...
>
>jon
>.Playing Devil's Advocate for a more open minded cf-community ;-)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:05 PM
>Subject: RE: Enron executive commits suicide
>
>
> > OMG!!! What is this world coming to?????? I do understand that
people
> > have rights and everything, but this is a little to much.
> >
> > Hear Ye! Hear Ye! I hereby declare that Satan, the master of
>eeeviiiilll
> > and the tempter of all things bad (including Wendy's #3 Biggie
Size),
>is
> > banned from the cf-community list and all cf related list for that
> > matter!!!!!
> >
> > Hail Mary, full of grace. Yada, yada, yada...
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
>

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