Well, we can agree to disagree. Whoever is wrong is welcome to the consequences of their actions, which is the whole point. Can't have it both ways.
- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: Re: My Convictions have a Price! >I would disagree that belief is voluntary. Practicing is voluntary, > but belief, by its vary nature, is not a voluntary act. > > I do not think you can talk yourself with logic or desire into true > belief, any more than you can talk yourself into true love. > > On 9/16/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Belief is entirely voluntary. Gender isn't. Being a Jew isn't voluntary. >> Being Jewish is.(Yes, there's a distinction, isn't there?) Anyway, you >> are >> entirely permitted to become a Christian, Muslim, Jew, or whatever >> else... >> if you don't, then it's your fault only. When you are told to believe >> that >> magnetism works because atoms are aligned in a particular manner, you can >> believe that, or choose not to. Either way, it still works. Religion is >> just like that. Whether or not you believe, whatever one is the right >> believe is going to win. If it's the way that I beleive, then I get to >> go >> to Heaven and you go to Hell. I did not create that belief, but I chose >> to >> accept it based on many factors. Now, say that I'm wrong and Muslims are >> right. I'd be an infidel, and of course would go to wherever infidels go >> after death. Whether or not I'm a good person doesn't come into play, >> only >> my belief. It's doesn't matter that I was raised a Christian (which isn't >> true for me). It doesn't matter what I do, I'd have to follow the rules >> of >> their game to do what they say is right. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:35 PM >> Subject: Re: My Convictions have a Price! >> >> >> > See, that is a ridiculous statment. Of course it is you and your >> > religion that is excluding someone. Whether you are right and wrong >> > _is_ irrelevent, I agree. But lack of belief is no more voluntary for >> > most people than belief is to others. If it was logical and voluntary, >> > it wouldn't be "belief". >> > >> > It is exaclty like the 8 year-old boys in my neighborhood growing up >> > that forbid girls to enter the "fort". It wasn't us or our club >> > excluding the girls, it was their fault for being born girls. >> > >> > (I decided on this example, rather than Nazi/Jews or KKK/Black and >> > Jews, to remove the immediate rejection of the comparison). >> > >> > On 9/15/06, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > .... What most don't get is that >> >> it's not me or the religion who's excluding someone, it's that person >> >> and >> >> their disbelief. Whether we're right or wrong is irrelevant to the >> >> debate. >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:215517 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
