Actually, I took words from your email and didn't put them in your mouth. Let me show you below: > > > >> In response to Larry and Jon: > >> > >> The reason it is the Law of Gravity is that gravity is real and proven. > >The > >> reason that is the Law of Thermodynamics is that it is real and it is > >> proven. The reason it is the Theory of Evolution is that it is a theory > >and > >> unproven.
I am willing to say all of these theories are "unproven" to some degree - gravity for example doesn't work at the particle level I believe. Clearly, we do not yet have all the answers. > >> > >> And it's unproven for a reason. You can't prove the improvable. You > >> certainly can't prove a theory that has ample holes in it. And the biggest > >> hole is, what is the first cause? Scientists can't answer that question. > >> Here you say that evolution is improvable - I wouldn't say that about anything - but I suppose you are entitled to. I do think we haven't got all the answers yet - and thats fine. You are welcome to point out that we don't but its not the same thing as "improvable". > >> And I believe and am convinced beyond doubt through all possible reasoning > >> and human understanding, there is only but one answer as to the first > >cause, > >> and that is God. It was not until I came to understand, not just believe, > >> that there was only one logical answer, that I was able to become a > >> Christian. My faith is not based on some pie in the sky, emotional > >response > >> to some event. My faith is logical, well reasoned and backed by scientific > >> and historical evidence. Creation is not a myth. It is an answer. Ok, right here you say there is scientific and historical evidence for creationism - - I would like to see it, is all? Did I put words in your mouth for asking for it? > >> > >> So, are you going to call me ignorant and narrow minded? Sadly, I think you are the name caller, and dont' even recognize it. I think you feel like the victim, which is very sad, because you DO do your concepts an injustice by being a name caller. > >> > >> When you go around spouting those kinds of insults, you are going to get > >> people riled. The smartest, best educated people I am personally friends > >> with are all Christians. That's not to say there are not terribly bright > >> people who are atheists and Jews and Muslims and what not. I'm saying > >being > >> smart and well educated and being a Christian are not mutually exclusive > >> states of being. > >> I dont' think ANYONE here said anything about the intellectual ability of Christians. > >> Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are not exactly far representatives of > >> Christianity or even fundamentalism (I'm not a fundamentalist, btw, I'm > >> evangelical -- a Nazarene, as for sect). They are money grubbers and media > >> mongers. They do not represent nor speak for the majority of Christians > >nor > >> even a majority of fundamentalists. They just have the loudest voices. The > >> loudest voices always get the majority of the press coverage. You never > >hear > >> from the majority of Christians in this country because they are largely > >> quiet people. > >> I don't think that the majority of Christians are anything but Christian, including quiet. > >> As for what should be taught, creationism, as broadly defined, need not be > >> taught as a Christian theory or a Hindu theory, but just honestly. We do > >not > >> know how the universe began. Some people believe it started spontaneously. > >> Some people believe that a creator, a being greater than ourselves is > >> responsible. Some people believe this creator is God. Mathematically, the > >> odds of spontaneity are almost to mind boggling to even contemplate, which > >> is why even some of our brightest scientists believe in a creator. > >> And in this I do agree with you - and this is what I WAS taught in biology. We don't know how the universe began - the big bang is one theory. We dont' know how life began but there is a theory about proteins in the soup and lightening. This is what I learned in biology class - I think it was great. However, to also expose kids to God as a theory of how life began is teaching religion in public schools. > >> Evolution is a theory folks. Only a theory. And it should be taught as a > >> theory. To teach it otherwise is intellectually dishonest and to teach our > >> children to embrace ignorance about their universe. > >> When does a theory become "fact" - ? At what point is it proven enough? I think in the case of evolution there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that points to the creatures on earth evolving - is it a fact? I would say for me, there is enough evidence to accept it as fact. You might not, and thats fine - but at what point do you believe there is enough evidence for any theory to become fact. ? ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
