> Dana wrote:
> ok you're right, so let's validate their worst fears about us instead.
>

This is perfect example of Americans getting wrapped around the axle
with the concepts of "winning" and patriotism.

The whole situation is simple: Religious zealots want us out of way in
the Middle East so they can take it over.  This is exactly same
problem we have in Korea and Taiwan, it's just that it's communists
that want to take over.

What makes the Middle East special is that the communist/dictatorial
regimes that want control of Korea and Taiwan can be easily attacked
which makes standoffs and diplomacy possible.

In the Middle East the zealots aren't necessarily aligned with the
government.  In Afghanistan, for example, they were.  In Iraq, they
weren't.  In Iran they are to a degree.

This makes it difficult for us to attack a government and make any
dent in terrorism.  If you just lay out the options they are:

1.) Get out of the Middle East.
2.) Stay as an occupier.
3.) Stay as a guest.

We've been trying #3 and it's not worked too well.  Now we're trying
#2 and that's not working either.  China and India use #1.

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