-----Original Message----- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:58 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pic Of Hussein W/ Noose
Lets have a little history lesson on terrorism against the US and you tell me why we are pissed off and those few conservative presidents who have the balls to do something about it actually do do something about it: ##### Snipped ##### I cut out everything except the years and places I actually served. Added some comments, they missed some things I consider important, as I was there. I will start by mentioning Somalia. 1993 Somalia was the first of many major foregin policy failures that the US government has llowed to take place. In Somalia a Special Operations Force comprimised of members of not just the US Amry's Delta Force, and it' elite Rangers, but Navy Seals, Marine Recon and Air Force Para Rescue and Combat Controllers, won a major battle against a small time city warlord. A close friend of mine was in that battle. He is an excellent man, and as far as I am concerned Ms. Albright and Mr. Clinton's gov't walked on the sacrifices those men made. 1999 They totally missed eastern europe here. I was in the 82nd Airborne, C co. 2/ 505th PIR. You can look up the time if you like, it's all out there. 2000 In Aden, Yemen, a small dingy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others. Supporters of Osama Bin Laden were suspected. (Told you we would hear about those whacky Yemeni's again) Same unit, I was deployed to the Sinai as part of the MFO, basically keeping Egypt and Israel from fighting, and Egypt from arming the Palestinians. Too bad that failed, and the cole bombing occured. I also remember the intafada kicking off, and the riots in sharm al sheik(sp?) why? I was there. When the little shop owners that took our money where throwing bottles at us burning our flag. Destroying there own shops, that was the funny part. When we watched that coward Clinton come to my airfield, to meet the Murderer Arafat and rather thasn kill him as we should have I had to guard him. To be honest this and my son led to me leaving the military the first time. December 30 A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the U.S. embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front is allegedly responsible. I researched this and several other cases of hotel bombings while working for the US Dept of State. Nothing I'm saying is classified. I also did information assessments from the perspective of American Businesses abroad, of the technological capabilities of groups like Hammas, and Fatwah and the big boys of AQ. None of it's secret, google it people. 2001 September 11 Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Soon thereafter, the Pentagon was struck by a third hijacked plane. A fourth hijacked plane, suspected to be bound for a high-profile target in Washington, crashed into a field in southern Pennsylvania. More than 3,000 U.S. citizens and other nationals were killed. President Bush and Cabinet officials indicated that Osama Bin Laden was the prime suspect and that they considered the United States in a state of war with international terrorism. #### Me Again#### I rejoined the US Army in Nov 91. I went Guard. I moved up to the DC area to take a job doing very interesting work for state. When I moved I switched units from an NC Guard unit, to a MD LRSD (Airborne) unit. More on that in a minute. The unit I was in in NC deployed to Iraq not long after I moved. Something that haunts me still. I feel guilty. No one knew what was coming, but these were my friends. That battalion lost five good men their first day. Their deployent wasn't good to them. I was a lucky man, when I deployed to Afghanistan. We only lost two the entire time, but again we'll come back to that. I moved to the DC area, a target of the recent attacks, to do IT and analasys for a State Department Agency. It was a dream job, and I enjoyed the work a lot. But terrorism was the number one game in town people. Iraq was paying to support groups like hammas and al aqsr brigade and others, paying for suicide bombers, paying for weapons. Were we to limit our war on terror to just AQ and the Taliban? Additionally, the analyses that many people in and out of the community were seeing at the time, and the behavior of iraq, and the profiles of the leaders involved, pointed to Iraq having WMD. Intel is wrong sometimes people, without more money, and more importantly more people on the ground in humint positions, it's going to continue. Ok, on to LRS. these guys are mainly prior service airborne and ranger infantry. Hard chargers. They were looking to be deployed for yers to a shooting war, but they couldn't get maryland to allow them to be deployed after the whole prison BS. I left the unit when it was obvius they weren't going to be depolyed anywhere good, and went to an infantry unit in VA. I was actevated for deployment three days later. The LRS did deploy finally, to gitmo, where MD thought they'd be less likely to kill people I guess. God this is a pussy state gov't. I deployed as you know to Afghanistan. I have some bitter feelings about Afghanistan. I really consider it the forgotten war, sort of like Korea. The press doens't report on 1/10th of what goes on there. Of how troops get fucked, and fucked up over there. I mean, shit, the press hasnt shown any of the Amazing jobs American, British, and especially Canadian troops have done of taking the fight to the enemy there. A lot has been done wrong since the control of our troops there left the hands of the special operations coammand and reverted to the control of the conventional army. This is not a conventional war people. The first 6 months of this war where faught by no more than 400 people in total, it was much larger when I arrived, but still below the 20,000 level, and not approaching the number of boots on the ground that Iraq has. #######Jump back to brother man's thread ############ Now on to Iraq and the lopsided Liberal Media reporting. Other than those of us who have been to Iraq, no one knows all of the good going on there. I can tell you that I personally have been on many good will missions in Iraq. But that is never reported. You all do not know how may schools we visited to give those poor children the much needed supplies that the schools cannot afford to give them. No one knows of the many projects we either assisted in or funded to get their infrastructure back in working order - things like irrigation systems for their villages, or the cleaning up of the existing water supplies they have, or the repairing of the electric power plants, or the repairing and building of schools and hospitals or pipelines to carry oil. Yet it is other Arab men who are destroying these things, not us. But no one tells us that. Nope, no one is really aware that any of that is happening. I bet if you did a man on the street interview, maybe 1 out of 20 folks MIGHT know of these things, and I would bet that it is only because they were either there or they know someone who was who told them this. Yes, I watch the Communist News Network, local news and the only real unbiased new channel - Fox news - and I cannot believe how lopsided their stories are. All they can focus on is how many soldiers are being killed each day. Yeah death happens. You accept that risk when you VOLUNTEER for the military. And if anyone joined in the last three + years they are either retarded or just not paying attention if they think that they are not going to Iraq or Afghanistan. Those of us in the military have to put up with all of this liberal propaganda every day, especially in my home state of California. We hear it every day and put up with it every day but yet we still put on the uniform and we still wait for our orders to go overseas again (twice for me now) because we are hopeful that what we are doing will make a difference in the world. Now I seem to recall when I was in Iraq the first time during Desert Storm, we were sitting south of An Nasaria during the cease fire. We heard someone telling us that Iraqi soldiers were killing civilians, so we trained the sights of our tanks onto the town and I personally saw Iraqi soldiers killing innocent people. One image that keeps coming back to me and giving my nightmares was watching a soldier take a small child of about 8 years of age and dipping him into a barrel of acid. He pulled the kid out and tossed him onto the street and his mother could not even touch him lest she get burned too. OH, and since we were at a cease fire, we could not shoot them because they were not shooting at us. Yeah, a bunch of peace loving fuckers for sure. These people were ordered to do this by Saddam Insane. In the US Army, if a General or even the President ordered me to do that, I could respectfully decline such an immoral order and actually be justified in reporting him to higher ups. Scores of innocent folks in Iraq were killed, imprisoned and just up and disappeared for no reason at all. People were not allowed to talk bad about Saddam in public because no one knew who the spies were. If caught talking back they were killed immediately in the streets. My point is, you fight fire with fire. So if the so called peace loving Iraqi's want to try to kill us because we are doing them a favor, fine, I have no qualms killing them back. In fact, I enjoyed it the last time I was there (last year). Getting rid of bad people is a good thing. So let the world's despot leaders look at this video and remember this video when they think that they can take us on or sucker punch us. God Bless the Unites States of America and everyone in it, even the liberals. #### let me pick it back up ####### I hear you man. I went to see someone I knew briefly a longtime ago recently at walter reed. He had been wounded for the third time in a month. Outside Sadr City. A good mas, an upright man. His third wound because he was a true NCO, he got shot, it was clean he went back to his unit. IED killed a member of his truck, scraped him up, hearing problems and so forth you know the drill. This last one two memebers of his truck died in the IED. He lost most of his foot, which the Army has so very kindly put back together with metal and meath. Mother Amry ha. He was in the 82nd at the same time as I was, same brigade. We ran into each other on a message board right after I got back from Afghanistan and right before he deployed. We have about the same story, both rejoined after 9/11. Both troopers, looking to lead troops. I was pretty dissalussioned, he was pretty green. He's a different man now, on his second or third deployment to Iraq. See, his career was "Airborne Infantryman". You can't do that with metal in your foot. He may change jobs, and do well at something else, or the Army may put him out to avoid his medical bills, something it is doing more and more. If he stays in DC he'll be OK, with the VA bennies, and points on the foreign sevice or GS exams. If he can move around enough for that sort of thing. I hear your bitch man, but lets look at a bit of mine too, ok? VA bennies are getting cut, PTSD cases are being chaptered as bad conduct discharges, vets are either being turned away from service or have to wait months on end at VA centers, because they didn't plan for the bills. You old man has his own guilt. Let's see if we can get the VA funded at the level it needs to be, and trully let loose the dogs of war. Loosten the ROE, give SOFs free reign to do whats needed be done. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:223353 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
