On 2/2/07, GrGo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Denstilliz wrote:
> > Isn't this like saying anarchy would be the best system, because it's
> > closest to "how things are" or whatnot? Sorry Gruss, I don't buy it.
> >
>
....
> We like to compete and money and power drive our greed. Capitalism
> and sports allow us to safely continue to compete without killing each
> other. Although religion (and, recently, politics) drive another one
> of our weaknesses: group think ("us" and "them").
Well, there is game theory too. Teamwork makes AWESOME tings
possib-ley. Perhaps it was working as a group, and not fancy weapons...
The bottom line is that is we create a political system that allows
> one person or group to grab power and then change the rules to keep
> it, they will.
I'm not so sure it's all about the system, ya know. Like C. said, there
is a mentality that probably is the core, moreso than the on-paper "system".
I think there's an argument about "class" (as in the rich and the poor)
that may state that the group that grabbed power, still has the power.
Or something like that. Yeah, I think I see what you mean. =]
Look at the Republicans over the last 10 years. They are the most
> recent worst examples of it. They became everything they hated to
> gain power and now they're losing it - but only because we built that
> into our system.
Hrm. I wonder when they went to the "Dark Side" of the force, ya know?
For as long as I can remember (in my lifetime) the Repubs have, for
all intents and purposes, represented "Money".
It must have been around the days of Lincoln, perhaps? That's an
interesting thing, neh? The switch from rep==lib to dem==lib.
That's some interesting history I bet, G Money. Howard Zen style? :]
Frankly, the current republican "structure" in office has done what
they could to dismantle some serious corner-stones to the whole
deal. Don't get me wrong, they'd been eroded a good bit already,
sorta silently, but never have I seen this crap cheered on so heartily!
Which is truly what bothers me. Perhaps if I'd lived thru the red scare,
then maybe I'd not be so "surprised" or "shocked", as the case may
be. I do remember reading about it, and realizing we're fooling ourselves
if we think stuff (horrible, evil stuff) like that could only happen in the
past. Yes, yes, history repeats, wot wot. I'm gonna lean toward
spirals (vs. circles)-- so we're at least getting somewhere. ;-)
Which brings us back to evolution. What about the Barbarians and the
Romans? Guess people are really beasts, is all. Leave us all alone,
and we're back in the trees, or something?
Sorry, I don't buy it. I think consciousness has gotten quite a
foothold. More so each day. But perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps
our baser instincts (heh.) truly rule us, and it's just rationalization
for the rest. That would explain the current muckymuck. " Here's
some food, here's a boob, and there's the boob-tube. " <8-]
Hek, someone re-did those studies with the "shocks" and the
unwitting participants (will you kill because someone tells you
to, that whole deal- Not just someone- Someone powerful, neh? eh.).
-eh.
Bah. Perhaps there are folks who will always be powerful, never
mind the system. Yes, that sorta rings true. Systems are weak
unless they're the "self"-kind. Mmmm... interesting.
Perhaps we are not all equal. I shall rule with an iron fist, as
I am destined for it. Wooters for Doomishness! And Denmocracy!
(Sorry, Ben, nuther doom. But yer a.o.k., fer shizzle!)
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