I'm saying it's time for that to change. H.
-----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Falloon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:25 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee You say you no longer wish to support govenments that have values contrary to your own. This will never happen... simply because values are not as strong as 'interests'. These being defined as economic in nature. In other words, a powerful nation will do business with any country (no matter what their ideological leanings) so long as the immediate economic/political goals are clearly motivated by profit. This is the reason the US govenment has no problems dealing with dictators from around the world on a regular basis. These dictators allow US corporations to do business in the countries, hence the US govenment overlooks any differences in political/ideological practices. This is what in world economics is refered to as 'free trade'. The US govenment only every uses the rhetoric of 'freedom/democracy' when they are using it in a propadanda sense. i.e using it to rally support for the then current war effort. Otherwise, the govenment couldn't careless what kind of rule the client country is subject too. Unless the ideological or political forces in that country actually prevent US corporations from doing business in the area. If this were the case, the US govenment would find reason to call these differences reason enough to go to war, so as to resume commerce in that region. The US is always calling all of it's conflicts under the name of freedom and democracy (it's temporal and effective propadanda), but if it were to really 'walk the talk', rather than just 'talk the talk', then it would have to withdraw it's support of many none democracy dictatorships throughout the world within which US interests are currently intensely vested. The US govenment is primarily interested in it's economic interests, not ideological interests. Any conflict is normally conducted for these reason and not for 'freedom/democracy'. As stated 'freedom/democracy' is really just a war cry rather than the motivation for war. The motivation is economic. Benjamin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee > I'm saying, given an informed choice, people will always choose a government > that gives them the most personal and economic freedom. > > We should no longer support or aide governments (or least give as little > support and aide as possible) that espouse values contrary to our own. In > the new world, that is no longer acceptable. We should actively seek to > bring about change in countries where tryanny exists. In countries that are > openly hostile to the West, and especially those that support terrorism, we > should use appropriate force to overthrow those governments. > > H. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lon Lentz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:32 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee > > > > I will never accept the premise that "correct" and "right" are > subjective. They are not. > > Killing is not necessarily wrong. Murder is wrong. Completely > different. If killing is "wrong", then why do we hire "cops", give them > badges and guns, and allow them to "kill" in our name? Why do we let the > state "kill" in our name? Why do we let the US military "kill" in our > name? There is no subjectiveness here. There is only absolute. > > I am not in anyway trying to suggest that we shove our western ideals > down their throats. A government that is formed from a mandate from the > masses (and not from some farcical aquatic ceremony) is the only way to > go. That is absolute. However they choose to do it. > > Proper human behavior is right and just. No matter where you live. No > matter what religion you follow. No matter your ethnic background. > > Would you suggest that the female castrations that go on in Africa, > could in some way, be "right" or "correct" for those people? I don't > care what kind of society they have, that is wrong. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chris.alvarado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:01 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: jihad for kids .. wheeee > > > > > > no I'm suggesting exactly what I stated. > > > > Absolutes are absolutely wrong. > > > > case in point: > > > > Killing is wrong. > > > > Killing in self defense, is that wrong? > > > > most people would tend to say no, if the choice is kill or be killed, > and > > that is the only way, then killing in self defense is not "wrong", > which > > completely contradicts the first statement: 'killing is wrong'. > Killing is > > killing no matter how pretty you try to paint it. > > > > "right" and "wrong" is all a matter of perception. > > > > believing that something is right or wrong does not make it so. > > > > I believe that the events that occurred on 9/11 and some of the events > > thereafter were "wrong" but that does not make it universally so. > > > > Who put you, or me for that matter in charge of dictating what is > right or > > wrong? > > > > Freedom is not just about living the way you want to live, it is > > about being > > able to also acknowledge the way others choose to live whether you > agree > > with it or not. > > > > Unconventional thought? perhaps, but this country's ideals were > founded on > > what was considered to be unconventional / 'unpopular' thinking. > > > > in short, what is right for you, may not be right for others, I'm > > not saying > > that about freedom or any one thing in particular. I'm saying, in > general. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
