On 2/12/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dennis wrote: > > This was a good read: > > http://www.mediatransparency.org/reprints/milwaukee_voucher_experiment.htm > > > > Yeah if you support the voucher system! It basically takes good > outcomes and trys to spin them bad.
I didn't see it that way. It merely seemed to point out the good, the bad, and the ugly, as one of the researchers saw it. Look, no doubt, if properly implemented, it could be a good thing, I guess. But you could say that about so many ideas... Much like No Child Left Behind fails to consider many factors, not the least of which being that we don't even know what tests/grades etc. /actually mean/. But, whatever. Let's handle justice the same way-- use a grid, so there's no ambiguity. Round pi off there, neh? See how easy it is after that! You can't be trying to tell me that vouchers would fix the system, neh? Perhaps go a long way toward making it better? Again, I think this is one of those "good on paper" ideas, like democracy. There's a reason we're (here in da good ol' US of A) a foe demo- cracy. Well, there's a reason for everything, but it's part of a go- od system, or whatnot. One we make work, if you believe. > But let's forget the debate over vouchers, something that's not > mainstream, and focus on our current system, which is. Vouchers are mainstream, for me, but anyways, I get ya. > As it stands it's broken: it's consistently rated poorly against world > educational systems, our kids can't compete with Indian kids, and most > kids don't graduate understanding science, finance, or how to manage > their careeres. (Those a just a few of the failures) I remember that whole Reagan scare-- "Ourz peeplez can't read"-- there's an example of great use of statistics. Hmmm... Reagan has this association with bad statistics, in my mind, for some-- eh. > So it would seem to me that dumping more money into broken system > would be foolish. So if the answer isn't competition and more choice, > what is it? This is just classic: solve social problems with capitalizm. In the Free Market, everyone could go to "good" schools. That extreme is as bad as the evil kind of socialism. I actually think we're seeing the kind of stuff that happens when capitalists have power. Too much power, that is. > > And yet, you favor a .gub who "keeps the field fair", neh? Seems > > like that's all about limiting options. > > > > But for good. Right? Is that the difference? =] > > I don't know what this means. Ah, sorry. It was a reference to your almost-under-the-breath mentions of how the government should "keep the playing field equal". Sorta off the cuff, whereas that's one of the hardest parts to agree on, ya know. What constitutes fair, etc.. Basically, it seems like you're in favor of "good" limiting of options, but not "bad" limiting of options. Which gets into that whole Nietzschian whatnot. =] Yeah, um... well. Now that we're clear on that... Here's a [virtual] beer! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:227910 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
