On 3/9/07, Jerry B wrote: > > "Looks to me, like at least half the country are morons, so that puts > ad amper on the whole "the people, the people", ya know?" > > That is a pessamistic view. I disagree completely. I think most > people are not morons. Just the ones getting all the press or making > all the noise. Now, I will agree that most people are too apethetic > these days, but certainly not morons.
Moron is too strong-- perhaps, "not well informed" would be more appropriate- ignorant, neh? Look, if we all decided, together, that we wanted things a certain way, then that's all it would take. Goodly and badly, there's that whole person/island, flame/fire deal. So we're stuck with compromise, pretty much. Relativities, and such. Anyways, the entire country should be up in arms, in my opinion, over the crap that has transpired over the last century. There has been a landslide of it, since Bush2 took office, and 9/11 occurred. Sorta the global warming argument, ya know? Especially disheartening is when a comedy rag (The Onion), can make predictions such as "we'll be at war, the surplus will be replaced with deficit, god is good" etc. I mean, our leader is using words like "crusade" and "evil doers" and whatnot, letting religion dictate policy, and all number of just retarded things. And "we" elected him- twice!?!?!? The Ori are getting in the way of Enlightenment. :-P "Personally, I don't see this as some huge issue-- for the > overwhelming majority, there are bigger fish to fry. Way bigger." > > Can't disagree there. Does there come a point though when ignoring > small problem to solve big problems (which aren't being solved anyway) > becomes a big problem in itelf? Who knows? I know, and the answer is yes. And there's the whole "broken window" analogy, where a neighborhood goes down the crapper cuz of one (1) broken window, left unfixed. Ignoring the Elephants is even sillier tho. "Well, when you've got people using ONE, rather corporate News > organization to get their info, and not seeing the problem therein-" > > I don't think I follow here. What is the one corporate New > Organization: The New York Times, the AP, CNN, PBS, Reuters, FOX? > People should take any news from any of the sources with a grain of > salt. Each one has an angle and that should be understood from the > start. Often times I have found that news is biased only by what the > leave out. Don't take news from one source at face value. Good. I wish more people thought that way, but they don't. I think the majority (if we can believe our "senses") does not really think for itself. Mainstream media is screwed up, major, though. Omissions, yup. Horrible ones. Who here heard about the dude who was running for pres who got arrested when he tried to attend the debates, in MnStrmMedia? If you can even call what happened "debate". See, I'd like some effort in that area-- bring real debate back! I believe that is more important than this deal with "biased" instructors, for instance. "Then, my friend, you don't have the ground to suggest some form of > legislation, or, for that matter, much ground to complain on. " > > I would have to disagree. When part of my tax dollars goes to fund > this, I have a right to believe it is being used wisely or not wisely. > I have a right to complain till the heavens fall. Hell, even if I > didn't have to contribute tax dollars, I would still have the right to > complain under the first admendment. Finally, I did't bring up the > issue of accredidation. I believe it somewhat related, but not > central enough for me to put more time or energy in it. Well, one can always complain, but sometimes the complaints are "more worthy" than others, I reckon (may be related to the difference between a "reason" and an "excuse", ;-)). As a tax payer-- my god! Are you going to take responsibility for the actions of the Country? :-)) Accreditation is just a form of quality control, and I thought you were talking about quality control, so I thought that for sure you would have investigated that avenue, and whathave you. You can complain all you want, I didn't mean you couldn't, like first amendment-wise =]] Or any-wise, for that matter. Just trying to give more weight to the "we need to do some- thing about this" factor of your argument, and give non-gubment type answers. :-/ it's all a form of rules and whatnot tho, I guess. Man, I'm philisophiclilicle. Sorry for the airy whatnot. "Or that, if you're TRULY concerned with what teachers teach, you > should probably get familiar with how the System works." > > Yup. I taught in public secondary schools for 4 years. I have taught > part time at local community colleges for the last 10 years. I teach > math classes and I have never felt the need to bring politics, ethics, > or religion into my classroom. I have colleauges who do for whatever > reason. Ah. This is different now! You're not just an arm-chair, you're a user! And you really feel that we can't self-regulate this without some form of higher power? Even when a Christian group can find ways to get plays about vaginae nixed? Or we can make life so unpleasant for a prof. that he goes into early retirement? I guess you've tried talking to your co-workers? What's your perception of the student body in regard to this? Most of them feel as the teachers do, so it's not "fair" for those that don't- or are these colleagues maverick, loose cannon types, not on page with the rest of the program? Just bad teachers, and the students you get from them complain about them? "Most" of the students? And as a side note, what is your perception of the level of these kids coming in over the last 10 years? Have things seemed "about the same", or are you seeing a drop in ability or whatnot? Or, hoping against hope, have you noticed a steady increase in the knowledge and preparedness they bring with them? "What I'm trying to say, and not really doing very eloquently, is that > if you're "concerned", get involved! Go meet some of the people who > are "really" in charge of stuff. Board members, council members, > etc., etc.. talk with The Unions, etc.." > > Ahhh yeah. Great idea. If more did get involved, maybe this issue > along with others wouldn't be an issue (see the apethy vs moron line > above). Indeed. I think we're on the same page, and "making things happen" is a varied path. I honestly don't know what the right answer is, you know-- Perhaps Nietzsche is onto something. :-P I favor direct communication, transparency, and honesty-- which can lead to unpleasant things like putting a foot in ones mouth ( Which is Out Of Style now, if it was ever In ). I don't know if more spoons in the pot is the answer, but for sure communication and idea sharing can't be bad. "It's not always about the money, ESPECIALLY IN EDUCATION. (but it's > Always about the money, don't get me wrong ;)" > > Education shouldn't be about the money on the schools end, but it > plays a bigger part than most people want to believe. It plays a bigger part in most things and people don't understand. (For sure not the majority). "Just can't win, I'm afraid. Or we're winning already, maybe!" > > Depends on the day of the week and what side of the bed you get up on I > guess. I like your pessimist comment, let's go with we can just choose. =] I've got Faith, we'll be alright no matter what. It's fun tooting the horn is all. Sadly, I'm not Too Concerned about Anything- Faith Rocks! So anywhere where I say bad stuff, it's mostly devil's advocate. Or acting like Mike from "The Office" inadvertently. What do people think about Truly Believing Everything's Cake? Is that Lame? Not that it can't be cake-er =-] But we've got free will. What more can we really ask for? w00t fer life! 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