> You may need to initiate a lawsuit against your MA instructors, if you're
> swinging from all...the...way...over... there... then, they didn't teach you
> any sort of proper technique

Nope, wrong again.  A rock-and-pop barely clears the holster, so you're moving 
nine inches hand-to-grip, then rocking about five inches back with your wrist.  
No stance change involved, other than a very slight dip at the moment it 
becomes too late for the opponent.  Few can do it right, but then again few are 
properly trained at that level, just like few are properly trained at your 
level.

> Because if you're drawing your weapon your intentions are pretty obvious

And if you're throwing a punch or a kick yours aren't?

> I'm not dropping into a stance before I swing, I was trained to attack with
> power from what ever position I happen to be in

What's this "dropping into a stance" crap you keep referring to?  Bad B-movie 
actors?  Poorly-trained police officers?  Ever seen a Weaver stance?  The only 
thing "dropping" is the opponent.


> I guess if you call US Air Force and the NRA , lack of training and
> qualification. 

I would absolutely call the combination of US Air Force and NRA a lack of 
training, yes.  Was she an officer?  If not then she probably qualified on the 
M-16 slowfire at medium range-- no pistol (IIRC).  It's the Air Force.  And the 
NRA is mainly firearms safety and slowfire round target basics at short and 
medium range.  Don't let the labels fool you.

> Adam, have you ever been in a bar fight? I have, the guys going for their
> weapons were the first ones knocked out.

I don't carry in bars, because that gets you ten years in prison for violating 
the concealed carry law in Georgia.  I have no earthly idea what I'd be doing 
fighting someone in a bar, or what such a fight would be over.  Man, you 
martial arts types are a *violent* bunch, aren't you?  I prefer the peaceful 
calming effect of the presence of a firearm.

Also, if I were ever in a bar fight and arrested and convicted on any part of 
the charge then I wouldn't be able to have a concealed carry permit in Georgia, 
and I wouldn't be able to legally own fully automatic weapons on a Form 4 
waiver, either.  I don't intend to give up either of these privileges related 
to my 2nd Amendment rights.

Another thing you learn in proper training: how to just walk away while the 
other guy is saying shit as you leave.  They should teach you that, too.  I 
thought they did.

> I would hope that you exercise tremendous restraint when considering whether
> to draw or not as I do when considering whether to engage. 

Apparently I have a hell of a lot more restraint that you do, eh? :)


Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee



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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott Stewart 
  To: CF-Community 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:30 PM
  Subject: RE: VA Massacre & Gun Control


  > 'Cause we don't have to draw aim and fire, and we don't telegraph our
  intentions. 
  > I don't wear my black belt everywhere I go. 

  >Why do you assume that someone drawing from a concealed carry is
  >automatically telegraphing his moves, whereas you automatically are not? 


  >> They are both smooth moves at their best, but there is substantially less
  >>movement involved in a "rock-and-pop" than there is propelling your hand
  >>or foot all...the...way...over...to...the...guy's...whatever.



  > I've seen plenty of police officers, and military personnel. I also 
  > have been to a firing range with a friend who is trained with a 
  > sidearm and a black belt in Taekwondo, she even insists that an unarmed
  attacker in close quarters is faster.
  > It comes down to what that attacker can or cannot do once they're in.


  >>And your friend who "insists" is obviously unqualified based on the
  >>statements she's made, as are you.  My money is on you and your lady
  >>friend pissing your pants like everyone else when Psycho Boy come's
  a->>callin' with his Glock.  

  I guess if you call US Air Force and the NRA , lack of training and
  qualification. 

  And I'd count on myself and my friend before I'd count on someone dead set
  on playing Rambo. 


  >It's one thing to talk brave after the fact; it's another to bring your
  >balls to the fight when you're unarmed and a mass killer is not.  These
  >anticeptic scenarios you're coming up with have never and will never exist
  >in the real world.

  My balls come with me everywhere I go, I don't have to hang them on my hip.
  I know what I'm capable of, and what I believe I would do in the VaTech
  situation. My first con

  Adam, have you ever been in a bar fight? I have, the guys going for their
  weapons were the first ones knocked out.

  Look, this is turning into a pissing contest, and that's normally not my
  M.O. 

  I would hope that you exercise tremendous restraint when considering whether
  to draw or not as I do when considering whether to engage. 

  If I see ya I'll buy ya a beer..




  -- 
  Scott Stewart
  ColdFusion Developer
   
  SSTWebworks
  7241 Jillspring Ct.
  Springfield, Va. 22152
  (703) 220-2835
   
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:45 PM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: Re: VA Massacre & Gun Control

  > 'Cause we don't have to draw aim and fire, and we don't telegraph our
  intentions. 
  > I don't wear my black belt everywhere I go. 

  Why do you assume that someone drawing from a concealed carry is
  automatically telegraphing his moves, whereas you automatically are not?
  They are both smooth moves at their best, but there is substantially less
  movement involved in a "rock-and-pop" than there is propelling your hand or
  foot all...the...way...over...to...the...guy's...whatever.


  > I've seen plenty of police officers, and military personnel. I also have
  been to 
  > a firing range with a friend who is trained with a sidearm and a black
  belt in 
  > Taekwondo, she even insists that an unarmed attacker in close quarters is
  faster. 
  > It comes down to what that attacker can or cannot do once they're in.

  Yeah, and I saw a porn flick when I was eleven, but that didn't mean I knew
  anything at all about fornicating, much less how to do it well.

  And don't count on the police.  They are some of the worst shots I've seen.
  *Very* nervous at the slightest thing, too, though I can't blame them.

  And your friend who "insists" is obviously unqualified based on the
  statements she's made, as are you.  My money is on you and your lady friend
  pissing your pants like everyone else when Psycho Boy come's a-callin' with
  his Glock.  It's one thing to talk brave after the fact; it's another to
  bring your balls to the fight when you're unarmed and a mass killer is not.
  These anticeptic scenarios you're coming up with have never and will never
  exist in the real world.

  Can you come up with that one single example I asked for earlier?  I'm
  sticking with "It's never ever happened, and it never ever will" until
  someone proves me wrong.



  Respectfully,

  Adam Phillip Churvis
  Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
  BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee



  Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
  C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at
  ProductivityEnhancement.com




  

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