i dont know what you call it, but i dont go past anything unless i test it... i guess i call it micro testing, where i literally will not go past some bit of code, until i know it works as planned.
i mean, LITTLE TINY SIMPLE STUFF, no... but overall units that i can test, whenever i can test them, always test. so, yes, i typically hand off a site bug free (99%) and anything that still pops up, i like to leave little notes as to why, or what is happening, through some pretty verbose error messages and url contents :) tw On 4/27/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is the reason I am an advocate of test first design. Which means > basically you should have a copy of the test plan and all cases and > pass/fail criteria prior to development. > > There will always be little nagging bugs that will be hard to catch until a > user gets it's hand on it, the idea is to catch as many as possible as early > as possible. > > Look into agile methodologies. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:50 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: I need an opinion > > Hello all, > I am soliciting opinions here. > I recently finished a few applications that are all tied in together. Once I > finished coding and testing, I released it to the manager here for testing. > The key word here is testing. I informed him that he may encounter some > bugs, but this is why I wanted him to test it. So of course he encountered > some bugs in the app. After about 4 or 5 bugs later, he got pissed and said > that he is not going to test anymore until I get all of the bugs worked out. > I tried to explain that as the programmer I am not as objective as a user, > and this is the reason for testing. He said, "Well that may be the new way > to develop, but when I as a programmer we did not release anything for > testing until we knew it was bug free". I caved in and said that I will test > it under every scenario that I can think of. > So my question is this: Who is right in this instance? Is it reasonable to > expect that a set of highly complex applications that took several months to > develop should be 100% bug free? Hell, I encounter bugs all the time on > major sites on the internet, and these are being release to millions of > folks, not like the few hundred here that will use it. > > Oh, and a little history. He says that he is getting pressure from his > managers to get these app live. When I interviewed for this contract back in > December, based on the documentation given to me (about three pages worth), > I said that this could be done within the 200 hours they budgeted. Well, > after having a couple of meeting with stakeholders, I realized that this was > going to take way longer than 200 hours, I informed my manager of this and > he was OK with it. So now we have a new assistant city general manager who > is a numbers guy and watches his budget like a hawk and apparently he is not > happy with the progress. Of course I explained all of this to him a couple > of weeks ago, but I guess since he is not a programmer he finds it hard to > understand things like scope creep and the fact that the applications were > not properly scoped out in the first place. > Not only did the initial set of meeting flesh out the inadequacy of the > original scope documentation, but I ended up meeting with the wrong person! > The guy I was supposed to meet with was on vacation and he was not made > aware of what I was doing until I had the first part of the app done and > ready for testing. So things changed drastically as a result of this, and > added a few more weeks to the development. > > My impression is that my manager is reverting to CYA mode and since I am > just a contractor, he is going to try to lay the blame on me. But then again > I may be getting paranoid here. > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > Bruce Sorge > > "I'm a mawg: half man, half dog. I'm my own best friend!" > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:233474 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
